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Aral Balkan

I mean, if an EU citizen’s initiative to tax the rich cannot get a paltry 1 million signatures (less than one quarter of one percent of the population), I guess we really must deserve this bullshit system.

You still have five days, sign this ffs:

eci.ec.europa.eu/038/public/#/

#eu #TaxTheRich #billionaires #fascism #ecocide

59 comments
Oli

@aral I was wondering, why it didn't take off, considering that it's in favour of the large majority... Guess is drowned in the attention economy where only those who pay are seen :'(

Karl Poe

@olla33 @aral I would have thought people are disillusioned that such petitions will change anything. But then there was one for forcing gaming companies to maintain infrastructure (or something along those lines) and it got millions of signatures in a few days. Go figure. "Panem et circense" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cynda

@karlpoe If I remember correctly I read here on the fediverse that the videogame petition was boostet by a youtuber/streamer with a huge audience.
But „Tax the Rich“ sadly never got the attention it deserved.

rugk

@cyndakuiru @karlpoe Indeed, that's the case. Also, the petition is not a "click and forget petition" like many others.

It's an official #ECI aka EU petition, where if successful, the EU commission is obligated to consider it etc.

Mysteriarch :masto:

@olla33 @aral Because these ECI's are meant to be obscure and difficult to succeed by design. The only one that has been quite successful is the one around the preservation of old(er) videogames, sadly.
I don't mind that last one, on the contrary, but it's telling that's the one that gets a lot lf attention and most of the others don't.

AndyDearden

@olla33 @aral Ultimately it's about organising- get some folks on the street with laptops & tablets to get folks signed up - get some posters with QR codes - get some political parties & unions to put it in their regular members mailings. And get everyone to join a union.

Matúš Chochlík

@aral Just like our US brothers and sisters in christ, Europeans think that they are just temporarily embarrassed multi-millionaires too

Matúš Chochlík

@ellenor2000 @aral If the people in the EU can't be bothered or are afraid to speak up or protest on an issue like this under their real name, then the "perpetrators" have already won and we just need to get "liberated" by some hypothetical outside force.

Peter Hilgenfeld

@matus_chochlik @ellenor2000 @aral
Go on the street right now in Denmark or whatever an ask a hundred people if they've even heard about this thing. I wouldn't be surprised if 100 say no.

Peter Bindels

@aral Right, the one where you have to fully dox yourself, or sign by logging in to your country's online registration system that fully doxes yourself.

I wonder why there's not much more support logged in the system owned by the governments, controlled by the people with enough money to get elected / support candidates, that requires people to fully identify themselves to exactly that same system.

Aral Balkan

@dascandy Well you also have to fully dox yourself to vote in an election. It would be good to know, however, whether your signature is linked to you or, like a vote, used only for authentication.

Aral Balkan

@dascandy “Personal data collected in the statements of support cannot be used for any other purpose”

citizens-initiative.europa.eu/

“Both the group of organisers and the Commission must destroy all statements of support signed for a given initiative (and any copies) by whichever of these dates comes first:

1 month after the organisers submit the initiative to the Commission
21 months after the collection period starts.”

citizens-initiative.europa.eu/

@dascandy “Personal data collected in the statements of support cannot be used for any other purpose”

citizens-initiative.europa.eu/

“Both the group of organisers and the Commission must destroy all statements of support signed for a given initiative (and any copies) by whichever of these dates comes first:

Matúš Chochlík

@dascandy @aral I haven't seen a single serious petition online or otherwise that was asking for some big legal change like this, that didn't require providing personal info. If it's just a bunch of email addresses, the politicians would just handwave it away.

Benjamin Geer

@aral @vincib I signed it, but in France even parliamentary election results have no effect, so I can understand people not thinking that petitions will have any effect.

Andrew Price

@benjamingeer @aral @vincib
Indeed. The recent elections and subsequent farce in forming a new government have highlighted the need for reform of the constitution (and probably the electoral system, too).

Spookybot

@aral most people I talked to didn't even know this exists.

Marcos Dione

@teknomagic @aral keep talking and keep booting! And talk in other networks too!

Androcat

@aral I sort of presume this was either not publicized at all, or was shadow-banned on commercial social media.

Could be wrong, of course.

Taillefer

@aral Added my signature. Though at (currently) 14 and a bit % there's a long way to go to reach the threshold in my country.

Meznor

@aral done. ✅

I think the lack of awareness, and requirement for ID (and not being clear enough how the ID is used/destroyed after) disincentivizes participation for many.

Kevin Decherf
@aral only France and Germany reached the threshold :/
lilian

@aral Do you by any chance know how I can check wether I already signed it or not?

Philippe Jadin

@lilian @aral just try, it will tell you if you already signed

lilian

@philippe @aral You sure? Because iirc you have to specifically confirm you haven't signed it yet.

adamtewodros

@aral Non European here, What happens if the days run out without enough signatures?Whats stopping the organizers run it again next year? Every European I have shown this to hasn't heard about this initiative or the European Citizen's initiative in general

Jill

@aral this is literally the first time I heard of it, so maybe the problem is less about what the population wants or deserves and more about the lack of visibility of the initiative

Tim Stickland

@aral
I would love to sign but I live on a small island which has detached itself from the rest of Europe...
#EU

webhat

@aral I don't believe it's only got ⅓ of the needed signatures. They must be gaming the system

Estelle

@aral Already signed a while ago. I think it's more a visibility issue rather than a "I don't want to sign this" issue.

przemelek

@aral btw. isn't this proposition against EU law? Income tax, wealth tax, corporate tax - those are reserved for countries. EU has only control on minimal and maximal VAT rate.I think extending EU control would be possible only if European Commission would propose special regulation here, European Parliament voted it and finally countries 'put it to their tax systems.
And it would die in first part in European Commission.

GrumpyDad 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@aral Don't suppose you know about sugar and vinegar?
Many people don't know about this. Please inform, don't condemn.

Aral Balkan

@grumpydad My goodness, to go one day without getting tone policed… now that would be amazing.

noypisaoesterreich

@aral@mastodon.ar.modify to "tax the rich immigrants" & you'll get at least 10x more signatures. as in everywhere else, voters are afraid of imaginary, not the actual, boogeymen :)

COMPU73E ❄️

@aral thanks to Brexit I can't even sign this 🤬

Aral Balkan

@COMPU73E :( I’m sorry; we left the country because of it so I hear you.

Alberto Cottica

@aral you have a point. And yet, ECIs are considered to be a failure IN GENERAL. Maybe there is not enough of a European demos yet, despite all efforts.

smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

@aral yeah. In a similar vein I reformulated #Enshittification as the extent to which we *allow* it to happen to us..

social.coop/@smallcircles/1132

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@Kiloku olha aí: culpando a "vítima"!!! 11!!!

* contém ironia

Dr James Ravenscroft

@aral wishing I could vote - love and support from plague island #brexshit

Ribadeando

@aral O sistema non funciona. E para sabver iso non fan falta iniciativas como tax the rich, senón só mirar arredor...

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