 JD Vance says we should replace experts in every field with "common sense wisdom". Let's see how he feels when his pilots are replaced with people who just have common sense about what flying should be like. *I say this as a pilot who is continually amazed by what people think flying a plane is really like. 41 comments
  @lachlan this is actually a nice example of how the common sense of a person who doesn't play flight simulation games think they work. Someone who flies airplanes in games is used to the reversed controls! I say this as someone who has never played a flight simulator, so I may be wrong too!! @grumpygamer @joel @lachlan I took a friend flying who did a lot of flight sims. I let him fly for a bit and he freaked out because his g-forces on his body and his brain was giving him weird signals about that the plane was doing. This is something we train for. It's 1000x worse when you're in the clouds. No matter what your body is telling you, trust you instruments. But they can fail, so we do more training about what ones to trust. @grumpygamer @joel I've had the joy of it exactly once. It was always something I really wanted to properly learn, but never been quite in the right situation to do so. @grumpygamer @joel @lachlan I'd be terrified to fly in a cloud. Sometimes they have mountains in them. @kentenmakto @joel @lachlan That's why you fly IFR and learn to read charts fly your instruments and have ATC direct you. It's not that scary. But it does take a lot of training.  @grumpygamer I prefer my surgeons to be good wholesome middle Americans, not these elitist "medical school" graduates.   @grumpygamer But we already know the answer. None of this is about the people in power themselves. You can rest assured they will have all the best experts money can buy.  @jannem @grumpygamer As a software engineer, I don't want to imagine what it would look like if we trusted cyber security to common sense (i.e. if we did it again like we once did 30 years ago - it didn't work). And that's a domain where even the people in power are unlikely to be able to buy expertise for themselves, the only option is to do it right.  @grumpygamer I 100% fully agree with you. It's also the same logic that makes me fully opposed to flying cars. @aaron Yeah, people who want flying cars and never flown a small plane. @grumpygamer @aaron When I learned to fly the thing that surprised me most was the fact you can drive a long distance faster than a Cessna 150 can take you, once the reality of weather kicks in. Ground speed is a thing! π€£ @Scrambelzini @grumpygamer Lol, my instructor had a great story of putting the flaps on a 152 down on a windy day and making it hover in place.  @aaron @Scrambelzini @grumpygamer I took a girlfriend parachuting once and she was very small. They put her with a pretty small dude for tandem. They were stuck in mid air, like they were hanging on a hook 200 feet above the landing zone for like a half hour. I too big--had to solo. I hit a tree.  @grumpygamer Common sense isn't that common. But people who think they have it.. oh, boy @kwramm @grumpygamer Common sense is terrible sense. You want way better than common sense. You want the kind of sense that is hard earned and difficult to come by. Reality has epic mind fucks for you if you only have common sense and you'll think and say the dumbest things...oh, man. No, be smart. Don't be common. Common sense is worse than no sense at all. @grumpygamer The guy went to law school at Yale. He understands the value of expertise. This is simply pandering. He doesn't actually believe it any more than he believes Trump won in 2020. What's more alarming is that it's the kind of branding that works with prospective voters. But this is what happens after decades of derision aimed at education and intellectualism, which I suspect was largely motivated by political and business elites opposed to climate action. @brettk @grumpygamer A lot of people go to college just to get the paper and party a lot. They just say the crap they need to to pass the tests but they don't actually accept any of it. They can get straight A's in biology and be creationists. Literally don't believe or accept science, but they can figure out the right answers for the test. Lies as just a part of how they have to progress in life.  @grumpygamer I destroyed a Zeppelin while flying a Sopwith Camel once back in 1993 when playing Red Baron on our Macintosh LC III. It was able to make a right turn like you wouldn't believe due to the rotary engine. I'm a little insulted that you are suggesting that I would be unable to hop in a plane and fly myself wherever with zero actual training in the last 31 years.  @grumpygamer I will, one day, create some flight simulator scenery where the houses and cows physically expand and contract proportional to elevator input  @grumpygamer you can put the average person in a farm tractor and they wouldn't know how to drive it, let alone a plane.  @grumpygamer "Common Sense" in this context is "People Who Don't Do The Scientific Method". Example: * Birds have no olfactory nerves and can't smell a damned thing. == Fact. *** So the whole, "We just made it up and you should play along" gambit exacerbated by Dunning Kreuger exponentially fueling stupidity. @elfin @grumpygamer Hamsters do, I'll tell you that. I bought a hamster that was pregnant and didn't know it. The babies crawled out and I put them back in. She just though they were the yummiest little things... Just like grandma. Further, the phrase "common sense" is a stupendously disingenuous phrase that is a proxy for "whatever I happen to think is right based on my own lived experience tight-knit social circle". There is no universal "common sense" and its a hollow term thats used to let people think it means whatever they want to think it means. Ever notice how businesses sell products that are "robust" but hardly ever define the traits that make it robust? Same idea. @grumpygamer We have plenty of evidence of what happens when pilots that can't fly airplanes are put in charge of passenger flights. It's SOP in some parts of Asia. Numerous really crazy crashes. One where he gave his kids the controls and they turned off the AP or something and he didn't know how to get it out. Spin spin spin for two minutes and then fireball. Sounds about right.  @grumpygamer Among those includes NOAA. So, what's the plan? Someone with "common sense wisdom" licks their finger and feels the wind that morning then says "I guess it might rain today"? @grumpygamer tbh most people donβt know anything outside their sphere of direct knowledge. The fact that they arenβt humbled by that ignorance always impresses and frightens me. @grumpygamer "common sense" is for commoners, silly. His billionaire benefactors would NEVER allow him to suffer common sense medical care, like bloodletting and faith healing https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jd-vance-trump-vp-peter-thiel-billionaire/ @grumpygamer A long long time ago I took flying lessons and got as far as "solo cross country". I understood why there would never really be flying cars. I shudder to think of pilotless flying objects with people in them.  @grumpygamer when you have a society with widely varied backgrounds like we do, there isn't a common sense. Perhaps with the exception of survival instincts. I wish that phrase would fade away. @grumpygamer Yeah, no. I've watched way too many videos on the 'Just Rolled In' YouTube channel to put much trust in "common sense wisdom."  @grumpygamer And the examples may be countless.. it's amazing how much this dangerous narrative is widespread  @grumpygamer Also, I can't help but imagine how Boeing took that advice kind of literally, by not letting the experts clarify that, yes, the plane should not use a single sensor for MCAST, and door plugs are bad compared to just a normal plane shell in the same space. |
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