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Ika Makimaki

🚨 The nice and knowledgeable folks at @greenpeace have put together a very good and thorough submission sample for that Crown Minerals Bill that makes a mockery of climate science, energy policy and democracy itself.

I'm told it may still grow and have bits added to it but because our main issue is (lack of) time, here it is.

docs.google.com/document/d/1FE

Read it, copy bits of it, modify it, personalise it, but most importantly submit!

#NZPol #fossilFools #EndFossilFuels

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Ika Makimaki

On top of that one you may also use this other guide put together by a collective of ecological organisations and climate lawyers.

docs.google.com/document/d/1cY

#NZPol #fossilFools #EndFossilFuels

Ika Makimaki

And here is a clearly inferior, but a lot angrier, rant on my blog, which you can also use because it has links to the above and the submissions page.
pezmi.co/2024/09/27/make-a-sub

#NZPol #fossilFools #EndFossilFuels

Ika Makimaki

But remember you don't need to write long, deep or thorough essays (you can if you want to).

Even a line or a paragraph are enough to count as an individual submission.

The main thing is to make yourself heard! We all have to.

Submissions close on Tuesday October 1, 2024.

parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-

#NZPol
#fossilFools
#EndFossilFuels

But remember you don't need to write long, deep or thorough essays (you can if you want to).

Even a line or a paragraph are enough to count as an individual submission.

The main thing is to make yourself heard! We all have to.

Submissions close on Tuesday October 1, 2024.

parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-

Ika Makimaki

The Green Party has also provided a handy submission guide for opposing that horrific Crown Minerals Amendment Bill.

Get amongst it! We don't have time to waste

action.greens.org.nz/oilandgas

#NZPol #FossilFools #EndFossilFuels

Ika Makimaki

If you would like to take the International Trade Relations angle on your submission, here's how NZ could be breaching some Free Trade Agreement requirements by overturning the Oil and Gas exploration ban:

greenpeace.org/aotearoa/press-

#NZPol
#FossilFools
#EndFossilFuels

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@pezmico just to understand well, whats the difference with the previous citizen submission a few months ago?

Atomic Fox

@pezmico @greenpeace

Yes, I'm sure the people to listen to are the most implacable opponents of decarbonizing energy supplies, who have spent immense lobbying efforts over the years to literally make the most realistic alternative (for many purposes) to fossil fuels illegal in New Zealand and Australia.

Ika Makimaki

@tsukkitsune
that is just like, your opinion...
And fair enough.

Yet this discussion is about this very specific Crown Minerals Amendment Bill. Not any other alternative energy sources.

You don't have to listen to anyone you don't want to, but I do invite you to read the submission guides and discuss based on those.

Atomic Fox

@pezmico

All right, how about this :

Whenever I have taken the effort to read a Greenpeace position paper, it has invariably turned out to be full of concealed assumptions, unjustifiable jumps of logic, and misstatements of fact, leading me to believe that it was in fact a piece of flim-flam, not offered in good faith.

The sad fact is that fuel-minerals policy does not exist in a vacuum. New Zealand has a number of sizable energy uses which are currently met by fossil fuels, and no clear path away from that.

Now, for instance, you can simply assume that the world demand for milk, butter, and cheese is going to disappear in the coming two decades or so in the face of increasingly acceptable plant-based alternatives ; but any position paper prepared on that basis would be as difficult to take seriously as one that assumed that a country known for its everlasting gloom was going to become a global center of solar energy development. Or you can do as the Dutch government set out to, and implement affirmative measures to destroy the dairy industry. But that is a separate fight which again cannot simply be assumed as a starting point.

sizeofbelgium.com/a-lot-of-for

So long as the demand exists, then, it must be met, either from domestic production or from imports. Once this is recognized, reasonable discussion can take place on how to meet it. But it is precisely this that Greenpeace does not like to do.

Aside from the macroeconomic implications of importing fuel for the needs of export-revenue-earning industries, there is the geopolitical context to consider. Some of the major suppliers of fossil fuels in the global market, such as Russia and Saudi Arabia, are also major sources of instability and promoters of conflict. And New Zealand, as a small country currently without an oil refinery, dependent on imports of refined products, is it exceedingly vulnerable to supply disruptions as well.

The sad truth is, if getting off fossil fuels were easy and straightforward, it would have been done in 1973 when the price of oil, up to then the cheapest energy source in most places, quintupled overnight. As it proved, coal and gas increased their share over the following decades, but in most countries (barring France) the overall structure of the energy economy changed very little.

@pezmico

All right, how about this :

Whenever I have taken the effort to read a Greenpeace position paper, it has invariably turned out to be full of concealed assumptions, unjustifiable jumps of logic, and misstatements of fact, leading me to believe that it was in fact a piece of flim-flam, not offered in good faith.

Ika Makimaki

@tsukkitsune
respectfully, I think you are engaging with some subjects that are tangential but not quite the topic of my original post: Opposition to a bill whose main purpose is overturn a ban on Oil and Gas Exploration from 2018.

I get not agreeing with Greenpeace and that's cool. Different issue.

I get processing of dairy products (with a reference to an article from 2016). Things have changed, but not the issue either.

The ban was never from oil and gas being used. It's NEW exploration.

@tsukkitsune
respectfully, I think you are engaging with some subjects that are tangential but not quite the topic of my original post: Opposition to a bill whose main purpose is overturn a ban on Oil and Gas Exploration from 2018.

I get not agreeing with Greenpeace and that's cool. Different issue.

Ika Makimaki

@tsukkitsune
Meaning exploration already consented and development already underway is upheld anyway.

->"a country known for its everlasting gloom"
have you visited NZ? because this is definitely not accurate.

New Zealand has a huge potential for both solar and wind, and has been for awhile almost entirely powered by renewable sources.
Electrification and potentially energy independence are a real possibility for this country.

Granted, not the case in 1973. (Because of tech advancements.)

@tsukkitsune
Meaning exploration already consented and development already underway is upheld anyway.

->"a country known for its everlasting gloom"
have you visited NZ? because this is definitely not accurate.

New Zealand has a huge potential for both solar and wind, and has been for awhile almost entirely powered by renewable sources.
Electrification and potentially energy independence are a real possibility for this country.

Future Sprog, XP

Thanks Ika Makimaki!

My son and I have put in submissions opposing the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill.

Good comments there about the spill and how we're not preparing to handle the response. The Army was called up to mop up the oil after MV Rena sprung a leak.

@pezmico @greenpeace

Ika Makimaki

@futuresprog @greenpeace Thank you for your submission!

It is reckless to even consider this kind of projects with no capacity to respond to the accidents that could happen!

Future Sprog, XP

I wish I could go back and amend my submission to start with:

β€œOn the week when the United Kingdom stopped their last coal-fired power plant and North Carolina, US was submerged by torrential rains, you slid out the world’s tiniest submission window about increasing oil and gas exploration? U wot, m8?”

@pezmico

Ika Makimaki

@futuresprog I mean, you could always do a second one.
Or 'help out' someone who has not submitted yet. πŸ˜‰

Future Sprog, XP

My son wrote in his own submission last night. Might see if my daughter wants to do one today although "U wot, m8?" isn't really something she'd say, much less the version with the swearing still included.

@pezmico

Alistair K

@futuresprog @pezmico In the "recommendations" box I recommended that the members resign and shut down this committee on the grounds that it operates in poor faith.

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