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@abrokenjester @paninid The problem is that Google AI has repteatedly shown an inability to NOT post nonsense (or in this case from a game wiki) posts wholesale as search results. Yes, the result on top is from a Steampunk wiki. The problem is that it is on top, and from a steampunk wiki. 17 comments
@jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid Because 1. Not clearly marking it ON TOP as Fiction automatically spreads disinformation and anti-facts 2. I disagree. Even if the top post would just be a once sentence "The Empire of Austra-Hungary ceased to exist before space travel was made possible" 3. The search is without the "-" and without the word "empire" meaning it might as well be "Austria, Hungary In Space". In short, facts should always be on top, ads should be obliterated, and AI sucks.  @WhyNotZoidberg @jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid How do you wish, without AI, that Google classifies the internet into fiction and non-fiction? The screenshot isn't even of AI. It's of the knowledge graph. Noticed it doesn't say AI anywhere on it? Google has done this for years. @jenzi @jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid The way desktop Google does it is better at least, it shows the source on top, which is the most important thing. As for classifying... Seeing the track record of public not exceptionally specialized AI (like in search for cancer cells) I wouldn't trust an AI classifying anything, to be honest. It would be worse than having it non-classified. @WhyNotZoidberg @jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid Sorry you wanted the world's information to be classified into what's true and what's not true. It seemed simple when you suggested it. Disinformation is the biggest threat to humanity as we speak. Even if this particular search result wasn't a result of Googles abysmal AI, Google has admitted publicly that there is no way of making it stop making things up and present it as fact... and they are FINE with that. @WhyNotZoidberg Thanks for repeating that to me instead of backing your original position that Google should be the arbiter of truth. @jenzi @WhyNotZoidberg No one said that in this thread except you . What everyone here claims is that without a clear source, there is no way a user can distinguish between truth and fiction. Google now presents results as paragraphs that looks like they are valid answers but there's no way of knowing if they are true or not. It is not Google who has to be the arbiter of truth. It is the user. Google is removing that possibility. @delawen but you can click the source… you’re being weird EDIT: You're being emotional and rallying against AI when it's not even in use here and the source is right there in the screenshot. You're mad at me for not grabbing a pitchfork. The original post is misleading and wrong. And yes, originally someone asked for things to be deprioritized if it's fiction and that's not even trivial. @jenzi @WhyNotZoidberg @jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid And no, Google hasn't done this for years. The fact that you are confusing the summary some search engines do taking information from reliable sources like Wikipedia with this kind of output only proves further the point that this kind of AI is not suitable/well trained for this use case @delawen @jenzi @WhyNotZoidberg @jonoleth @paninid I won't go into all of that, because it was all meant a bit tongue in cheek originally, but I will say that the source of the snippet is right there, in the screenshot, in big friendly letters, and with a nice link too. Google does plenty of nefarious things, with or without generative AI. This just isn't a particularly good example of it. @delawen @WhyNotZoidberg @jonoleth @abrokenjester @paninid AI summaries are labeled as such. This is not an AI summary. @WhyNotZoidberg @abrokenjester @paninid this is less "Google's new AI initiatives suck" and more "Google should do way more than they ever have or even could do reliably"  @jonoleth @WhyNotZoidberg @abrokenjester I find it interesting that the original post didn’t mention or reference “AI” at all…that was just y’all being irritated by something that was implied 🤷🏻♂️ @paninid @WhyNotZoidberg @abrokenjester I was thinking of this post https://mastodon.social/@WhyNotZoidberg@topspicy.social/113062021359578409 but that's a fair point. Guess AI is just hot on everyone's mind when it comes to Google's many screwups right now. @jonoleth @paninid @abrokenjester Heh. Definitely. AI is NFTs on steroids, but it infects everything, not just techbro wallets. |
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@WhyNotZoidberg @abrokenjester @paninid if you search for a fictional concept, why wouldn't said fictional concept be the top result? Showing anything about modern Austria OR Hungary in space would be less accurate