@nathans haptic is a thing

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Hard same.

@nathans You don't need to. If I remember correctly even the EU noticed this problem and will require real switches and buttons for "key features". Don't know the definition, but they definitely don't allow the all-touch garbage anymore soon.

@nathans BUTTONS!

Buttons and dials that I can work purely with my fingers while my eyes continue to do the important job of *watching the road*.

@nathans They say people shouldn’t be looking at their phone while driving and then all the new cars have massive tablet screens.

@nathans Exactly this! I don't want to hit a tree while I'm swiping just to find out how to reduce or increase the temperature, or have to drive on a parking lot for doing this. Or the volume of the radio, what the hell?

@nathans you’ll survive in this car, not die on that hill

@nathans Wife and I recently rented an EV that was all trimmed out with digital interfaces.... Spent more time pulled over on the side of the road trying to figure out the interface than we did driving! Between that and having to find a charging station, I've chilled to the idea of purchasing an EV.

@nathans The practical elegance of not burying things under layers of menus.

@nathans For me, they both would work. But the touchscreen version lets the car companies’ IT team make “UX improvements” which shift the controls around. I can learn to work a touchscreen from memory and not looking, right up until one of those updates hit…

@nathans It's funny that cars with big touch panels feel cheap, but buttons and knobs seem luxurious. Even in a cheap car (but I used to enjoy driving a Cressida, so what do I know?).

@nathans Never forget what could have been.

@nathans The last truly modern car was the Citroen DS of 1957

@nathans touch screens, in an environment where you need to focus elsewhere and build muscle memory for controls (I bet even BMW drivers know where the indicator stalk is without looking) and where precise touch is difficult due to uneven road surfaces, just blows my damn mind. And even if you *can* hit the little icon for Spotify, it's easy to clip the screen accidentally when you're doing other things (adjusting air vents) in some cars.

Into the sea with this nonsense.

@nathans For one thing the very tall screen looks tacked on and extremely ugly. But the worst part is how these screens are always much too bright at night time.

@nathans I have a 2014 Subaru BRZ, I think it hits just the right balance. All the main controls are buttons. The radio is mediocre touch, except for the volume knob, so that's OK. The mp3 player in it is OK, and the Bluetooth works very well. (There was a CD drive, but it is failing) No essential controls are on the touchscreen, just the radio, and it can be turned off with the knob in a heartbeat without looking. I look with dismay with all the newer systems.

@nathans The interface on the left will be a delight in the event of a collision. "I have to have the control surfaces on my car replaced because I had a fender bender and the screen cracked"

@nathans RETVRN to tradition. I want to smash every stupid tv screen put into a vehicle.

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I want to go back just far enough to have a standard DIN stereo, but still have a small screen for navigation. Like a double DIN stereo with CD and MD slots behind the screen haha

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I'm still waiting for the "no using you phone while driving" laws to get updated to "no touch screens visible from the drivers seat".

I guess that's another reason for why my next motor vehicle will have two wheels.

@nathans Give me knobs (hehe) and buttons with a screen on top of the dash for me to CarPlay to. That's all I ask for. The newer hybrid Corolla's are almost perfect for that

@nathans 100% agree
because I can feel a physical dial and what and where without taking my eye off the road while a touch screen I cannot

@nathans heads-up on a thing you might not know: "reject modernity, embrace tradition" is a fascist meme - it's literally the first two points on Umberto Eco's list of properties of ur-fascism.

@nathans personally? I kinda love retro-modernism in this case :blobfoxdrakelike:

@nathans I’d settle for a screen with older design sensibilities that didn’t constantly change. 🙃

@nathans Ford figured it out in the 1980's: Controls on the console should be identifiable by touch, so that they can be operated, without taking the driver's eyes off the road.

It's so basic that I can scarsely believe how quickly that principle is being abandoned in favor of touch screens that you absolutely cannot operate without taking your eyes off the road.

@nathans I want knobs and buttons that can be fixed and not some built in smart screen

@nathans@infosec.exchange literally everyone agrees with this. no consumer wants giant touch screens in cars. it was a decision made by the companies who wanted to save money on components and assembly.

@nathans Tesla and its consequences have been a disaster for the automotive industry.

@nathans that giant screen is one spill or hit away from you being unable to control anything.

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I think the problem does not lie in modern technology itself but in its design and artificial restrictions made by corporations. If workers would control the means of production, we would have better digital products that just work.

@nathans I think a screen is good for navigation, info, etc, it just shouldn't replace physical controls for things like climate or audio.

@nathans keep it simple

@nathans I want the ability back to easily swap out the radio.

@nathans @ingalls most likely while trying to find a way to adjust the wipers