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Johannes Ernst

When people say "the open web"...

... what does this mean to you, exactly?

I'd love a broad range of answers including "I have no idea" if that's what's true for you.

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area51.šŸ‘½/

@j12t @jalcine It means using Open Web Standards to build subpar experiences that benefits technical folks only.

This isn't a knock against it, just my observation.

Johannes Ernst

@netopwibby @jalcine Interesting!

Can I ask a follow-up: which "Open Web Standards" do you have in mind, which exclude what that would allow for better experiences?

area51.šŸ‘½/

@j12t @jalcine Pretty much all of them. ActivityPub is a massive spec alone.

jenn schiffer

@j12t open web to me means available across all browsers and built with non-proprietary web standards

Cykonot

@j12t unsecured adhoc wifi mesh blanketing a region šŸ˜Œ

Callionica

@j12t data available through http(s) that is available without logging in to a site

Mia

@j12t often used broadly: available across browsers using non-proprietary tech.

but i think sometimes more narrowly used to mean: also not behind a login. open to the web.

Jake

@j12t Stuff you can link to and it opens in a browser window.

Tom Walker

@j12t Pages that can be read in a web browser without demanding login-wall, paywall etc or some proprietary plugin/extension/hardware key

spinbackwards

@j12t A decentralized town square where citizens own their content and can take it with them to other open web sites.

Johannes Ernst

@spinbackwards Can you give some examples for that decentralized town square and how they take content to some other sites?

Franklin Delano Stallone

@j12t It means pre-web 2.0 when people were more likely to have their website and reference each other either in posts, web rings, etc and open formats like RSS to genuinely share information.

Basically everything was a hustle for money while trying to control every aspect of a user's experience even if that means providing a worse experience to squeeze out a few more clicks.

Johannes Ernst

@fds So in your view, the "open web" is long dead and it's better that it is?

"Worse experience" compared to what?

(I don't understand the "hustle for money" part. In that era, how did anybody make money with their sites? Ads were very rare and paid subscriptions unheard of as I recall...)

Franklin Delano Stallone

@j12t I would not say it's dead. It feels like it's going that way but it's not there yet.

Examples of worse would be:

Linkedin turning the network section into yet another area to promote things out of your network. Seeing your connections is now an extra click for not logic reason.

News sites making reading nearly impossible with ads and videos and things popping into view. They can claim someone watch the video because it ran in someone's browser even if its impact was negative.

freediverx

@j12t
An inter-operative web based on open standards and protocols, not walled, corporate fiefdoms structured around shareholder supremacy.

AurƩlien

@j12t the permissionless web. Meaning if thereā€™s an important entity (registrar or hosting company or something else) that chooses not to do business with you, you can try another.

Vincent Jousse

@j12t stateless urls (fuck paywalls and content behind a subscription) with content accessible in the html without the need for a JavaScript engine.

Dr Pieter Peach

@j12t Well for one, my ability to engage with content across both Bluesky and Mastodon in one app like Iā€™m doing now with @openvibe , despite different open protocols

Philip Theus (prev. Mueller)

@j12t Something that is not a walled garden - I would expect to be able to see content without login or paywall, and maybe even some kind of interoperability

Philip Mallegol-Hansen

@j12t It canā€™t be accurately described in few words, but at a summary level:

The open web is a place where each site has a limited scope, does nothing in particular to prevent you from moving on to other sites, and nobody controls a significant share of the total traffic.

David Raygoza GĆ³mez

@j12t for me is all the web outside YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and tiktok

Antonio Rodrigues

@j12t I think of open standards like RSS and I think blog and personal websites.

Don Marti

@j12t In practice I think it means every web site except VLOPs/Big Tech, DRMed streaming, and corporate SaaS. More about what it's not

Jason the Big

@j12t Itā€™s what the web looks like when a spider hasnā€™t caught any food yet. Itā€™s closed when the spider wraps up the stuck bugs for dinner.

Sam Clemente

@j12t a system of interconnected platforms designed to work together and share content as opposed to trying to lock it up for clicks/eyes

ShadSterling

@j12t the web as it could have been if profiteers hadnā€™t distorted its development. Everything interoperable, links that work (no need to invent the term ā€œdeep linkā€), browsers that donā€™t spy on you, sites made by people who care about their content (no SEO or LLM gibberish), and social platforms that enable communication rather than capturing ad views. (Maybe even portable identities, but that might be a stretch.)

Basically, an internet made for enrichment rather than extraction

Ted Cannon

@j12t my sense is sites put up for their own purposes, serving their users. So, not a Facebook-only marketplace page, or a search engine subsisting on selling user data to advertisers. Craigslist or Wikipedia come to mind. Also protocols over sites; email vs slack

pixelbandito

Un-minified source code, semantic HTML, accessible pages, lots of public APIs, web pages built with mostly open source packages and crediting them. No (fewer?) nations blocking sites.

Semitones

@j12t my first association is the IP system - if you have your IP and have certain ports open with certain software running on it, you and I can communicate from all across the world, thanks to all the different types of networking gear in between us.

Pierre-Luc GagnƩ

@j12t meaning you don't need an account and a docile browser to access the data contained therein.

Gavin Anderegg

@j12t @anildash Hereā€™s a crack at it: content served over HTTP that doesnā€™t require authentication to view.

Put differently: if you can send someone a link, and they see the same content without an account, itā€™s on the open web.

Claudius

@j12t small websites by individual people and businesses. Run on a variety of hosting services and not the small number of behemoths. People doing this out of curiosity and love for the medium.

That proverbial "website for my dog", whatever the fuck we did before blogs. Blogs. Quirky stuff with no real purpose. The SpaceJam website. Stuff with spinning @ GIFs and the construction worker GIF. Because everything was under construction and also best viewed with Internet Explorer 4.0. Much less monetization. Much less tracking and analytics. Webrings. Actual honest suggestions without affiliate links. People writing about what they found interesting, not what clicks well. The SpaceJam website _again_ because what else would you look at? Directories instead of search engines because of curation. No auto generated low quality keyword hogging websites clogging up your search results. No FUCKING PINTEREST clogging up your image search. People writing stuff instead of creating a video. No fucking Likes, Subscribes and especially no fucking bell.

Just people being amazing at things they care about.

@j12t small websites by individual people and businesses. Run on a variety of hosting services and not the small number of behemoths. People doing this out of curiosity and love for the medium.

That proverbial "website for my dog", whatever the fuck we did before blogs. Blogs. Quirky stuff with no real purpose. The SpaceJam website. Stuff with spinning @ GIFs and the construction worker GIF. Because everything was under construction and also best viewed with Internet Explorer 4.0. Much less monetization....

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