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ggdupont

@ploum Enshittification progress report: going strong.

Stupid question: if the fundation has lost its direction/vision, what efforts would be needed to fork and reboot it?

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BohwaZ

@gdupont
They never had a vision they've been running like a headless chicken for years chasing the shiny new thing and giving it up after a couple years. The foundation doesn't care about firefox.
@ploum

ggdupont

@bohwaz @ploum it feels to me that they had (maybe along time ago) a very strong vision which allowed Firefox, thunderbird and many other open source projects to grow significantly.

BohwaZ

@gdupont @ploum You should read the slides used in MoFo board meetings then: wiki.mozilla.org/Board

They will tell you what the MoFo board is talking about in its meetings.

Spoiler alert: it doesn't involve Firefox or Thunderbird.

I guess most of the vision for the software comes from the people directly working on it (developers, project managers etc.). Hard to know, I don't work there, but the MoFo board definitely doesn't have a very good opinion of Firefox.

"While the Firefox origin story is powerful it’s not enough to position us for influence the era of AI, big tech and the blockchain."
ggdupont

@sirber @bohwaz @ploum
<playing role="devil advocate"> one can also read between the lines that firefox emerged at the internet bubble time where the most pressing technological issues was to "provide safe access and facilitate flows of information" (outside commercial tools).

This is still relevant today but we also have new technological issues with AI models an conversational assistant and even crypto (if only to avoid the scams). In that sense, Firefox/Thunderbird is not enough.
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crazyeddie

@sirber @bohwaz @gdupont @ploum What they're going to do is fix all the memory leaks, gigantic allocations, and useless CPU churn and then replace all that with a background process that turns your computer into a processing cell for an AI and bitcoin mining operation.

You won't notice. Sort of like SETI@Home except you're actively using your computer at the time thinking your computer is actively working for you.

All browser development teams have been secretly working this plan for decades.

Sylvestre

@bohwaz @gdupont @ploum The Foundation cares about Firefox, it is just not their responsibility.

Flittermouse πŸ”žπŸ© :ablobbass: :ablobdrum: :ablobkeyboard:
@gdupont
Not sure this fully addresses your question but on a product level librewolf attempts to provide a deshittified build of Mozilla's code. No mobile version but they recommend something called mull as an alternative.

If you mean "reboot the foundation itself" I have no idea what that would entail.

@ploum
@gdupont
Not sure this fully addresses your question but on a product level librewolf attempts to provide a deshittified build of Mozilla's code. No mobile version but they recommend something called mull as an alternative.
ggdupont

@ploum more serious question: is the actual foundation really lost? Can it be steared back to a better vision? Keeping in mind that it also has to be financially sustainable to hope any long term and large scale impact.

James J Malcolm

@gdupont @ploum who gets to decide who runs the org?

It’s taken a long time to remove Mitchell Baker as CEO, who’s been using the foundation as their personal money machine.

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