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They were lending more copies than they owned. Copyright violation, AKA theft.
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@PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey Copyright violation is not theft. It is infringement. These are different words (and governed by different laws) for a reason. Stop falling for billionaire lies. @qqmrichter @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey No, you misunderstoon me. I said "stop falling for billionaire lies", not "continue perpetuating billionaire lies". I know the difference is subtle, but see if you can tell them apart. @qqmrichter @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hailey there's no need for argument here, y'all. be excellent to each other. @hobbsc @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hailey An argument would imply two people who know what they're talking about speaking. One person in this exchange cannot distinguish between "infringement" and "theft" and is unequipped to have an actual argument.  @hobbsc @qqmrichter @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hailey It's really funny and sad at the same time how they're constantly trying to appear nonchalant and one-up each other with phrases such as "sweetcheeks" lol @shellheim @hp If I say no then that would be one-upping you, so I am trapped in this loop! You seem to have bested me stranger! AAAAAHHHHH @shellheim The trick is to only imply the one-upping by asking passive-aggressive questions! @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey Sweetcheeks, see if you can tell me the difference between "infringement" and "theft" and why they are entirely different terms in the legal sphere. (Hint: no you can't, apparently, since you're still babbling nonsense.) @qqmrichter@mastodon.world @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey @PJ_Evans @qqmrichter @hobbsc @hailey "the Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that permitting the Internet Archive’s digital library would “allow for widescale copying that deprives creators of compensation and diminishes the incentive to produce new works.”" The Court is accurately describing the legal situation. These word choices are specific, limited, and literal. "Theft" is not among them on purpose, because it's not applicable. You're welcome to try telling the Court they're wrong @PJ_Evans hey evans r these boots ur licking yummy? @qqmrichter @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey @PJ_Evans @qqmrichter @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey rentseeking parasites do not improve anyone’s lives, so I don’t understand why anyone would repeat their nonsensical talking points  @PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey @eishiya @realn2s @eishiya yeahhh my understanding is it went like this: 1) Internet Archive has rights to X ebooks and operates a digital library to lend them out, limited to X copies lended at a time. 2) COVID hits, IA decides to lend out infinite copies at a time, arbitrarily ignoring the X limit 3) Publishers sue 4) Court agrees with Publishers @realn2s @eishiya there’s a robust discussion on HN, which includes the perspective that what I consider the existing value of the Internet Archive came from fighting similar battles years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41449965 I don’t have enough evidence to reject that. All I know is this: 1) the marginal cost of reproducing digital information products (books, movies software) is practically zero 2) the fixed costs of producing them, with quality, remains high. 3) we don’t have good systems for rewarding high-quality production in this regime. For more on this, read Who Owns the Future? by Jaron Lanier.  @PeterBronez As I recall it, your summary is broadly correct *except* for (1) which should be more like "for each book, Internet Archive legally possesses X copies, and operates a digital library to lend them out as ebooks, limited to the corresponding X copies lended at a time". In other words, very close to loaning an item under first sale doctrine, except the intermediate step of digitizing the work and being able to loan it out at a distance. @realn2s @eishiya One of the few "old" internet projects of an internet, which I did not find fully disgusting. And shitheads with a lot of money, power and an army of lawyers are doing their best to shut it down. The older I get, the more of things I found important die. What's next? Wikipedia? Libreoffice? Gnome? KDE? Mozilla already made a nosedive into stupid. @realn2s @pleaseclap @hobbsc @hailey |
@PJ_Evans @pleaseclap @hailey oh ok