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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

To summarize the conversation, moderation tools / filters / and blocks are insufficient to curb targeted abuse attacks from people who constantly hop instances to target individuals.

It seems there are some new features in development to optionally block new accounts that should help.

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

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No, I definitely don't want that, and to be clear, these aren't my ideas or complaints, for that matter. I have have the privilege of not being targeted for harassment (and I do understand it as such).

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

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The idea that made the most sense to me (and which I believe is already being developed) is to give each user the option to automatically ignore comments coming from new accounts (and/or instances?) to curb the tide of people instance-hopping to continue abusive behaviors once blocked.

I'm not pushing for centralization or more algorithmic meddling. I treasure the #fediverse for its lack of those elements.

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

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Except (*cough*), the 500-char limit still feels bloody silly to me. 144 chars is a creative constraint. 500 is just silly. Sorry, </soapbox> ;)

SuperMoosie replied to R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@RL_Dane
Got a 2000 character limit here.
Talk to your instance admin.

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: replied to SuperMoosie

@SuperMoosie

I have. They believe in the 500. 😓

I love everything else about the instance, so I'm not looking very hard at moving, even though I've halfway moved to alpha.polymaths.social already (Still waiting for #GotoSocial to get edits XD )

JimmyChezPants

@jerry @RL_Dane @Synapsidont @Gargron

Be careful that you don't turn a discussion about what sort of rules and systems work for the greatest number of people into a witchhunt for "centralized" stuff.

The fact they're "centralized" is not what makes the silos bad. It's that they are controlled by people with shareholders who have to make money, and that bad people have all the money to pay them.

Anarchy will not save us. Solidarity will. The Fedi has a future - Mastodon might not.

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@jpaskaruk @jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

I'm not sure that centralization *isn't* an inherent evil.
The beauty of fedi is that it isn't centralized, but that's not the core of it.
It's cooperation, it's values, it's openness, it's lack of algorithmic meddling, it's... a lot of things.

JimmyChezPants

@RL_Dane @jerry @Synapsidont @Gargron

The fedi is not that beautiful in execution, IMO. It is for us techy white people, especially if we gloss over/ignore what marginalized people are telling us.

Bit like how the police have been brutalizing black people in America for literally their entire existence as The Police, but it took until 1992 for white people to *start* believing them, because they couldn't see it happening.

Actually it's *exactly* like that.

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