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Matthew Malthouse

In France car parks with space for 80 cars or more are now required by law to be covered with solar panels.

- Parks between 80-400 spaces have 5 years to comply
- Parks with spaces of 400+ have 3 years to comply

This should be required everywhere!

#ClimateCrisis #Electrification

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@calmeilles

This isn't new. This law came into force more than a year ago (1st of July 2023).

Quarky

@calmeilles It is very nice when I leave the super market and return to a cool car. They also provide power for charging cars.

ericssonmere

@ scratchgeometrydash.com Coming home to a cool car after shopping at the hyper store is quite enjoyable.

nachtet

@xs4me2 @calmeilles
It'll be necessary, too, once everyone drives electric. Nice against overheated cars, too!

xs4me2

@nachtet @calmeilles

Our company’s car park has one now for more than 5 years… bringing concrete to good use.

xs4me2

@RustyBertrand @nachtet @calmeilles I could give you one for free but it still will cost you money, and quite a lot actually…

Rusty Bertrand

@xs4me2 @nachtet @calmeilles
I need an electric reclining bike more. Bad back, I miss cycling. Being an outdoor person trapped indoors is awful.

xs4me2

@RustyBertrand @nachtet @calmeilles Really like these indeed, but they are going a bit out of fashion nowadays in the Netherlands, test drove one once. Hardly see them anymore. They are quite expensive here…

nachtet

@RustyBertrand @xs4me2 @calmeilles
okay, everyone in that photo... who is now driving a stink car. 😝
Not sure if the sustainable plan should be to increase the overall number of cars, but if you have need of one I'm all for redistributing some from people who have too many.
I was able to switch to bike+public transport 23 years ago and am so grateful.

xs4me2

@nachtet @RustyBertrand @calmeilles

Well it all depends on where you live. When you live in a big city a care is a menace, and public transport more convenient. If like me you live in the countryside public transport is not even an option and nowadays even getting less!

Rusty Bertrand

@nachtet @xs4me2 @calmeilles
Nice! No disabled allowed though. You lucky rich fuck.

Pedestriansfirst

@calmeilles If we ditched the polluting death machines we wouldn’t need car parks and could reclaim our towns and cities for people. #JustWalk

Stu 🇵🇸

@pedestrians1st @calmeilles as much as I admire the sentiment, it isn't practical for many of us living in the countryside. We need cars to travel the 22km to town, load up with the things we need to run a business, and return home.

MadeInDex

@calmeilles

I hope they added that this electricity needs to be used by electric chargers locally... Most likely they just feed it into the grid.

Does this law exclude car parks in the shade of a forest, building or mountain? 😋

Jerry Mouse

@madeindex@mastodon.social @calmeilles@mstdn.social

Does this law exclude car parks in the shade of a forest, building or mountain?
Are you expecting any politicians to think on this? this would requires they had a relevant education and actual knowledge on the subject... Yet have to see the first politician with a education...

MadeInDex

@jerry @calmeilles

😂
Education politicians definitely have - a master of evilness at the university of hell ;)

Gallen 🔜 EF

@calmeilles Probable nice side effect is the interior won't be warm too, it's great!

Kumar McMillan

@id1om Thankfully, there is $NaN to be made for copying a viral tweet on the Fediverse so it doesn’t seem to happen much. @calmeilles @peterdutoit

Ian Davis

@kumarvibe @calmeilles @peterdutoit
:-)

I ended up posting because I'd retooted the earlier one the day before and then found myself doubting reality when it appeared I hadn't.

When I checked and saw it was a separate toot it amused me to quote the original.

It's not intended as a critique, just a wry support for the excellent info.

Margret Kuarell

@calmeilles diffrent day, diffrent white guy, same awnser: no. no more care parks.
Cover towns, cover houses but stop acting like cars can be anything but ecological suicide....

Stu 🇵🇸

@greensofshade @calmeilles I'm eager to hear of your alternatives. How do I get to town 22km away to do my shopping? How do I get to see my specialist surgeon 55km away? No trains. No buses.

Go on. Explain it like I'm an average white guy.

OrangeR

@FloydyStu @greensofshade @calmeilles euhhhhh, a temporary compromise would be that the same panels charge your EV (for free😊).

Stu 🇵🇸

@OrangeR @greensofshade @calmeilles if only EV's weren't so prohibitively expensive.

Stu 🇵🇸

@OrangeR @calmeilles @greensofshade well, until lithium mining is banished, they will continue to be disastrous for the planet. Especially those countries being ravaged by the west's insatiable desire for greenwashing.

OrangeR

@calmeilles @greensofshade @FloydyStu in my comment I included the need of oil for their manufacturing and for the infrastructure they use to move around already.

Ryan Germann :verified:

@OrangeR @calmeilles @greensofshade @FloydyStu desubsidize petroleum, and direct those funds to greener tech.

PattaFeuFeu

@FloydyStu @greensofshade @calmeilles Have liveable cities and villages that have places for (grocery) shopping. Incentivise doctors to have offices even in more rural areas. Establish trains and busses.

For the rest of journeys, let people use cars.

Solutions don’t have to work for literally everyone but if they increase quality of life and decrease individual transport for a majority, you already gained a whole lot.

Stu 🇵🇸

@PattaFeuFeu @greensofshade @calmeilles I'm not disagreeing with you. I want to know how it's practicable.

PattaFeuFeu

@FloydyStu @greensofshade @calmeilles Had someone painted the current state of motonormativity/car reliance as a picture in the early 1900s, I’m sure practicability would also have been questioned, yet it seems like somehow, nobody asked?

Stop seeing public transport as a cost centre that needs to turn a profit—just like is already done with roads—and see it as a public good instead, and commit to development and upkeep.

long fong yee

@calmeilles nice idea, especially as a means to charge a EV car. What about excess power? Does it go to power the office building/mall?

Maria Langer | 🛥️ 📝 🎬🚁

@calmeilles @RossA I moved to Arizona in 1997 and it was shortly after that that I started telling everyone that Arizona needed this. Not only does it shade the cars underneath so that they’re not 140° inside on a hot summer day, but it can provide power to either add to the grid or store in car charging stations. This is a no-brainer. Why, 25 years later, are we still talking about it like it’s a novel idea?

Kevin Leecaster

@2CB @calmeilles
We probably have more car parks covered in solar panels in the U.S. than does France.

Second Chance Bikes

@GreenFire @calmeilles

Well, wehave a lot more car parks. The only one I personally know of is the Tucson airport. My daugher says they are doing more. But my point was that France made it law and we have a huge cadre of people who could pass such laws fighting against any positive climate moves.

Kevin Leecaster

@2CB @calmeilles
You should learn about the Yellow Vest movement in France that has been actively blocking that country from taking climate action before you go comparing them to the USA imho.
reuters.com/world/europe/frenc

Numerfolt

@calmeilles Wow, thats great! And I agree, that other countries should take this as example...

RealGene ☣️

@calmeilles
My old employer installed these, but failed to address runoff from rain and snow, so it produced torrents that would take the paint off your car, or dripped ice melt that made walking under/between them a challenge.

CelloMom On Cars

@calmeilles

That's nice.
It would be better if developments that now "require" 400 car parking spaces were required to have a bus stop.

And a dozen "handicap" parking spaces.
Sure, put solar panels over those.

ferricoxide

@calmeilles@mstdn.social

Was kind of pleased when, a couple years ago, one of my larger customers, as part of a green initiative for their campus, opted to solarize several of their parking lots, put up a bunch of vertical windmils to replace the verticals of the light-posts on top of one of their parking garages and added solar panels to one of the lower rooftops on their main building (other rooftops had too much HVAC and elevator shaft-tops in the way).

run_atalanta

@calmeilles it's such a great thing for both the parking cars (covering roof!) and the direct free energy for charging stations. I don't understand why more commercial parking businesses don't jump on it.

l'empathie mécanique

@calmeilles I expect the regulations without a means to expect some reasonable ROI would be sabotaged by very, very, very, VERY shitty pieces of toxic plastic duds.

Matthew Malthouse

@dpwiz ROI on solar installations in France is in the 4--12% range depending on circumstances.

Even at 4% any company that threw that away and attracted legal sanctions for non compliance should be sued by its shareholders for failure of fiduciary duty.

l'empathie mécanique

@calmeilles Why don’t they do that now and require external incentives instead?

Mark Ingalls

@calmeilles This is easier to do in France than other countries because the national utility is owned by the government.

Adding small-scale solar like this is difficult to encourage in many parts of the United States because many areas have privately-owned utility monopolies. #energy #renewableenergy

P J Evans

@calmeilles
A church down the street from me put solar panels over their parking area. It's about 60 spaces. There's a building down the street with panels over their parking, installed by the former business occupant; it also has panels on the roof.

Jan Antoš

@calmeilles I have first time seen this 7 years or so ago in #Ikea #Malaga #Spain

IllTemperedCaviar

@calmeilles That’s amazing. If it were instituted in my country I feel you would suddenly see a proliferation of 79-spot parking lots. 🤨

SpielplatzPrüf

@calmeilles Frankreich macht uns es hier vor. Drei bzw. fünf Jahre sind ambitioniert. Frankreich will weg von der unsicheren und extrem teueren Atomenergie.

Matthew Malthouse

@SpielPruefUmwelt

Frankreich baut derzeit neue Atomkraftwerke und beabsichtigt, bis 2050 40 neue Reaktoren zu haben.

Ihre deutsche Anti-Atom-Paranoia ist deutlich zu spüren.

France has new nuclear plants under construction and intends having 40 new reactors by 2050.

Your German anti-nuclear paranoia is showing.

SpielplatzPrüf

@calmeilles Das sind Hirngespinste irgendwelcher Rechten in Frankreich. Die neue Regierung wird noch verstärkt auf Photovoltaik und Windenergie setzen, was die alte Regierung begonnen hat.

Atomkraftwerke sind die teuerste Energieproduktion, die es gibt. Das Internet ist mit Informationen voll. Einfach mal die Augen aufmachen.

Mike Barbre

@calmeilles Implementing these structures and climate initiatives is completely doable in the U.S.
We can save this world (and ourselves!). Just get conservative psychos and obstructionists out of the fking way.

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@calmeilles massive upgrade considering that now everybody can park in the shade let alone all the energy you can harvest with this.

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