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Alex Von Kitchen

@xssfox also post codes can't be mapped to other geographic coding schemes like LGAs
Edit: may be wrong or have caveats, see the replies

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Alex Von Kitchen

@xssfox I'm glad I wasn't at department of health for that particular mess

Railmaps

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox Non-geographic postcodes excepted, Postcodes CAN be mapped to localities. All geographic postcodes fully contain one or more localities, and their boundaries are defined by locality boundaries.

Railmaps

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox though I think there might be (or once have been) one exception to this - for historical geopolitical reasons.

Alexander The 1st

@railmaps @Dangerous_beans @xssfox I'm guessing the West Bank has a few postal codes - and with some straight up overlapping.

It wouldn't surprise me, given how timezones work there.

And taking a quick look - apparently Palestine didn't have postal codes or addressing rules until 2021...and the ones they do have in the West Bank seem to be determined partially on elevation...so them not overlapping would surprise me more.

Alexander The 1st

@railmaps @Dangerous_beans @xssfox (I imagine, without checking first, that the same issue applies to Ukraine right now - despite having a whole set of postal codes for the whole country, Russia's invasion likely throws a lot of expected postal code deliveries to be...difficult to process.)*

Alex Von Kitchen

@railmaps @xssfox i guess they could have fixed it? i haven't looked in a few years
the concordance file i could find quickly is 2011 and it's still showing a many to many relationship

Railmaps

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox It’s strictly many to one, and has been for 20 years or so. There are two caveats though which may mean technical documents have to permit many to many to cater for a) not all postcodes are geographic - ie they can be allocated to PO boxe suites or large mail receivers and some may want to record their geo location and b) one political exception (Locality of Melbourne has 2 geo postcodes 3000 and 3004)

Alex Von Kitchen

@railmaps @xssfox what do we mean by locality here? it might be something i haven't worked with (i've mostly done geographical stuff for demographics, so a lot of ABS data)

Railmaps

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox Locality is a formally defined construct that represents a geographically bounded area. Localities are maintained by the varies State lands Authorities and they define the address of all land parcels contained within. Australia Post define geographic postcodes in terms of the Localities they serve, and they adopt the boundaries precisely.

Alex Von Kitchen

@railmaps @xssfox ah, it's state level. i can't find a list to check, the free publication on auspost isn't much use here
It appears that localities only roughly match ABS categories, so it could be that localities aggregate to postcodes but the two can't be linked to other systems
abs.gov.au/statistics/standard

Railmaps

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox It’s possible. Localities come from a lands management and surveying background, not from a stats background. Geoscience Australia do act as a national umbrella group for all the State lands data, and the States do coordinate and standardise pretty well with each other on this. This might be useful ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/na

Alex Von Kitchen

@railmaps @xssfox hmm, i'm going to go back to cooking :P
you might be right, i just can't find the info to check

Dave

@railmaps @Dangerous_beans @xssfox That might be the case in Australia - it definitely isn't in New Zealand. Until very recently localities have never had boundaries, and what boundaries there are form an incredibly complex and inconsistent network of towns, survey districts, settlements, registration districts, native land blocks; with each former province doing its own thing - and this is before even thinking of local authority boundaries.

Railmaps

@Daveosaurus @Dangerous_beans @xssfox I believe Australia’s system is much more formally defined than most other countries. And that has been the case really only since maybe the 1990s.

Julian L

@Dangerous_beans @xssfox
2787 covers Oberon LGA, Tarana in Lithgow LGA, parts of the Blue Mountains which are not business or residential, and Warragamba Dam.

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