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@yogthos well... competition is natural. Isn't that the whole reason evolution exists? It's the default. Humans created societies to stabilize things, but outside of those efforts, it's just competition and chaos. Right? @frigginglorious @yogthos I don't believe evolution is an actual competition; rather, the worse adapted to the current environment tend not to survive over many generations. How does a being evolve by fighting? I'd recommend Sex at Dawn to learn more about humans (and other primates) @frigginglorious @yogthos didn't explain myself very well... evolution doesn't exist because of competion, nor does competition exist because of evolution. Evolution is the history of beings living their life and competition is a human concept. Some animals do fight, many to "gain access to" females, but they don't do it neither to survive nor to evolve. The proof is all other animals that don't fight and have no trouble existing because of it. @frigginglorious @yogthos ergo, while fighting may be "natural" for some species, it certainly isn't for all. Also, believing that because it is "natural", it must be good for us humans should be obviously wrong, even if you believed that fighting was "natural" for humans. @o_andras @yogthos oh, like a single species of animals competing against eachother? I guess when I think of natural competition, I think of competing against the rest of nature for survival. But idk if that's relevant. But for species, there's territorial and mating stuff - I was reading about bird calls the other day. I have a hammock hanging under these 2 oaks. Sometimes I just look up at the boughs. I think that they grow while competing for more sunlight. Right? @o_andras @yogthos I'm pretty sure that at its core, basic human goodness is overcoming the natural instinct of individual selfishness and doing what's best for everyone as a whole. But thats the exception. Being selfless is exceptional. I think that by default, in our natural state, we'd be greedy, consuming as much resources as we can. My argument is dumb and falls a little short, I know. But the truth is in there somewhere, I'm sure of it. @frigginglorious @o_andras if you think that humans are selfish and greedy by default, that's all the more argument to create systems that suppress such negative tendencies while encouraging positive ones. Capitalism would be akin to taking an alcoholic to a bar in this scenario. @o_andras @yogthos I'd recommend this song to learn more about other early humanoids https://song.link/us/i/1616538341 @o_andras @yogthos the Wikipedia article about the morning sex that you suggested is interesting. At the very least, it led me here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_copulatory_vocalizations @frigginglorious that's kind of a weird angle, are you seriously trying to argue that society should be Darwinian in nature? |
@yogthos "capitalist realism" just ain't realistic