If I buy a TV, I want a TV that shows channels and to which I can plug other devices to watch the other stuff.
If I buy speakers, I want to connect whatever I have to them and not risk remote bricking of devices by manufacturer.
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If I buy a TV, I want a TV that shows channels and to which I can plug other devices to watch the other stuff. If I buy speakers, I want to connect whatever I have to them and not risk remote bricking of devices by manufacturer. 41 comments
@TimWardCam @hamatti non UK readers might not understand the concept of a "TV licence". In Britain, you can't watch TV until you've taken the Television Aptitude Test, or TAT, which gauges your understanding of BBC4 arts programmes, your ability to follow long running soaps in a regional dialect, and whether or not you laugh at Ant and Dec. @rvkennedy @hamatti Well, I wouldn't qualify. Never heard of BBC4, never heard of Ant and Dec. But I do know the "long running soap in a regional dialect"- that's The Archers, for which no TV licence is required seeing as how it's on the radio not the telly. @TimWardCam @rvkennedy @hamatti Where did this meme come from - or am I getting my timelines messed up. I know you know that you need a license for radio but I am struggling to remember who said this before...? @nf3xn @rvkennedy @hamatti This is all a joke. Radio licences were abolished decades ago - you can listen to the radio for free. TV licences are needed to watch live telly - you just buy one (because it's optional - I choose not to buy one - it's not really a "tax"). @TimWardCam @rvkennedy @hamatti Oh lol is that the joke - I can remember when there was an actual paper license which had Radio & Television Communications Act printed on the top of it, you had to get from the post office back when there was a dude who drove around Oxford in a white van with an aerial trying to catch the student digs' tiny little unlicensed B&W TVs. TV license isn't optional btw, in fact didn't they even make out that you need one if you watch iPlayer? BOL with that Auntie ๐ @nf3xn @rvkennedy @hamatti It is optional. It's the price of a service. One can, and I do, choose not to buy the service. @TimWardCam @rvkennedy @hamatti Communications Act 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom ONS describes it as a hypothecated tax not a service charge. I guess you could avoid watching 'live broadcast'. Used to be if you had a telly right? lol I remember that it was cheaper for B&W and radio - the vans were really easy to spot, weird round things with a huge thing on top. tbh I am not sure we have one either. @nf3xn @rvkennedy @hamatti There are an increasing number of people these days who only watch non-BBC non-live-TV streaming services and thus don't need a licence. @TimWardCam @nf3xn @hamatti @rvkennedy It doesn't matter what you watch. @TimWardCam @rvkennedy @hamatti @rvkennedy @TimWardCam Does Dirk Gently count as BBC4 arts program? If it does, I might qualify ๐ @hamatti @TimWardCam the Stephen Mangan original? I believe so! Might be time to book that test! @TimWardCam @rvkennedy Yeah, that's the new one with Samuel Barnett. Which was also good. The original one from BBC4 was made a bit earlier and stars Stephen Mangan https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2303367/ Dirk Gently books are so great. @Kyleric @rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti They are joking; TV licenses are just a required fee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom @iampytest1 @Kyleric @rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti In other words a tax. Literally funding bigotry, because that money goes to the BBC. @rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti I recently failed my level 3 licensing exam so now I canโt watch either Eastenders or Pointless. @rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti I understand that you can have your license suspended if you laugh at shows such as "The Brass Eye" @TimWardCam Yeah, we all like different things. TV manufacturers won't support their streaming apps for as long as the tv functions. So when they stop updating, your smart tv won't show Youtube or Disney+ or whatever service anymore. Then you need to replace your tv even though the display device would be good for years. And worse, when some of them stop working, it may make the entire smart tv software stop working or get annoying to use. @hamatti Yeah, I know. Or ... one could keep the TV and buy an external device to replace the dead services. @TimWardCam @hamatti @TimWardCam That's why I don't want those services internally in the first place because they absolutely *will* break. @wonka @TimWardCam And the TV software isn't designed to gracefully work when services start to fail but will become an annoyance to work with. @TimWardCam @hamatti I have recently read about smart TVs even being bricked (in the sense that you can't really use it for anything anymore) if you don't accept some updated EULA or if some "upgrade" goes wrong. It does not become "dumb" either. You lose access to a device you have paid for. @tokyo_0 @hamatti I'm not an expert, but there does seem to be a crossover, particularly with the sort of large expensive kit you put in meeting rooms these days. Traditionally a "monitor" didn't come with the sort of remote control you'd want with a TV but I would not be astonished if that's completely different now. @TimWardCam I've been thinking about this for a while, since I noticed the 3,800x1,800 display on my laptop screen makes me not want to plug anything (like a PS4) into my TV anymore. When I looked at the price for updating the TV, it was silly. Worth checking if buying a TV card for your PC and running a monitor would be cheaper. You can get a remote for a PC, too. @hamatti @TimWardCam Yeah, that might not work so well. How are you playing stuff from the internet, then? @hamatti @TimWardCam Ah right, I see where you're coming from. The problem with the internet (from a device point of view) is that it keeps changing, and so things need to be updated again and again. That makes the problems mentioned earlier in the thread hard to avoid. But if yours is still working, perhaps there's hope for all of us! @hamatti @tokyo_0 @TimWardCam @hamatti I got a projector for stuff I want to put on a big screen. That includes movies stored on our home media server, Youtube stuff, and images live-stacking from our telescopes. @TimWardCam @hamatti But why would you need software running that's connected via the internet to play DVDs or even Bluerays? All of this was long possible without running deprecated forks of Android on our TVs. @thejackimonster @hamatti I wouldn't. I "would need software running that's connected via the internet" to play content that's on the internet, such as Netflix. @TimWardCam @hamatti any of the "smart" TVs can do that. You might want to change the launcher if you find the "Google TV" launcher obnoxious. @hamatti Related: as much as I really love my Sony neckband Bluetooth headphones (that they don't make anymore because people prefer the tiny ones that run out of battery after an hour and fall out of your ears and get lost) I don't like that they *only* work with an app. It's Bluetooth, they should work with anything that has Bluetooth audio. Sure, have an app to change settings, but it shouldn't be required, and it definitely shouldn't need an account on their servers. @hamatti I'm already at the point that I don't even want my TV to show channels. I just want a big monitor with good image quality and multiple ports to connect my own devices to it. TV itself has already been killed by offerings via internet. So at this point, I just need a low-power SPC with free software on it that can decode video and I'm good. I would also be fine with the TV itself running free software. But I doubt this will happen any time soon. |
@hamatti Other people have other use cases. I *don't* want a TV that "shows channels" as that would be no use to me as I don't have a TV licence. I want a TV that plays DVDs (and yes, I accept that that's via another device) and shows stuff from the internet (and I don't see why that should need another device, it's only software and the telly already has a computer in it).