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Dr. Quadragon โŒ

The changes on YouTube and also the legislative attempts to block YouTube in our country really make me wonder:

What instead of YouTube?

I mean, really. Yeah, there's PeerTube, but at this point in history, it's not "there" yet - it lacks certain features, discoverability situation is questionable at best, not everyone is going to want to host it. And unless you have petabytes of space, you are not going to host an open node of this. Hosting video is prohibitively expensive. Hosting streams for thousands of people - even more so, even with p2p tricks.

So... What are the alternatives?

1 August at 2:58 | Open on mastodon.ml
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๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ Vitalik ๐Ÿ–๏ธ
Dr. Quadragon โŒ

@sk8er First, you are hopelessly missing the point of the message, second, good luck watching YouTube using TOR.

1 August at 3:07 | Open on mastodon.ml
๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ Vitalik ๐Ÿ–๏ธ

@drq replacing YouTube makes no sense because of the original problem, which is censorship. Even theoretically, if YouTube 2.0 is created, it or some of its instances will be blocked too

1 August at 3:18 | Open on mastodon.social
Dr. Quadragon โŒ

@sk8er this is not the problem I'm talking about here.

1 August at 3:19 | Open on mastodon.ml
Enigma Voice
Dr. Quadragon โŒ

@EnigmaVoice youtube by any other name. Its ownership model is the same as YT, which means it's susceptible to the same problems YT is.

1 August at 3:23 | Open on mastodon.ml
Enigma Voice

@drq then you answered yourself already, what can I say. Local solutions cannot work as you want because they are too local; global solutions you don't like.

1 August at 5:13 | Open on mastodon.ml
Dr. Quadragon โŒ

@EnigmaVoice There are things like Odysee, but I have no idea how it works and how sustainable it is.

1 August at 12:14 | Open on mastodon.ml
mittorn

@drq some russian companies really have enough resouces for video hosting. Maybe this companies is not what we want, but at least we have vk, which have significantly higher limits for video/live than youtube and handles comparable amount of local (russian) videos.
For peertube: big community servers usually have enough resouces for community video. But peertube cannot be big centralised platform for videos, that people need. And it cannot be used for permanent video storage. Any instance may close in any time. If we want platfrorm, useful for content makers, we need platform which can store video permanently. To do this, we need use p2p not only to distribute video, but to store it to. Every video should make copies from federated instances. Every account should be backed up between instances, so if one instance closes, other will keep copy. And i sure, this may be helpful not only for video, but for every AP software (including mastodon-like microblogs). Not sure if it's possible to implement in AP.

@drq some russian companies really have enough resouces for video hosting. Maybe this companies is not what we want, but at least we have vk, which have significantly higher limits for video/live than youtube and handles comparable amount of local (russian) videos.
For peertube: big community servers usually have enough resouces for community video. But peertube cannot be big centralised platform for videos, that people need. And it cannot be used for permanent video storage. Any instance may close...

1 August at 3:26 | Open on masturbated.one
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@drq I think the main problem with YouTube alternatives is the history. Can you name some other video platform where I can just go and watch some random kid play gmod in 2008? There is so much content that YouTube is literally a time machine at this point. You can solve all technical problems of peertube, you can invest billions on development, but it will not replace 20 years of continuous uploading of new videos.

YouTube can't be replaced whether you like it or not. We have to find a way around the restrictions and make them as accessible as possible

@drq I think the main problem with YouTube alternatives is the history. Can you name some other video platform where I can just go and watch some random kid play gmod in 2008? There is so much content that YouTube is literally a time machine at this point. You can solve all technical problems of peertube, you can invest billions on development, but it will not replace 20 years of continuous uploading of new videos.

1 August at 4:27 | Open on mastodon.ml
Cortisol

@drq
Peertube is a good project for a strong community.
Now we can use something like the Piped project.
Deploy to our own servers.

1 August at 5:29 | Open on mastodon.arch-linux.cz
D:\side\

@drq in this form, it's a definition problem more than anything.

An alternative isn't just *to* something, it's *in* (or is it *for*? I dunno) solving a specific problem also. And YouTube's list of problems it solves is, as is appropriate for its size, uniquely large.

So there probably isn't going to be just one alternative, but many, for different purposes. Probably with some empty spots where no solution exists, and some empty spots where the problem isn't worth solving.

1 August at 8:49 | Open on mastodon.ml
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