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HP van Braam :verified:

@forestjohnson I think that's fair to a point. But nobody has come close to doing anything like that.

Netware was kinda easy, in that respect, but it also couldn't do a great deal.

Windows is fine until something goes wrong. Then the difficulty curve becomes a cliff because it won't ever tell you anything useful. If you encounter a problem for the first time on Windows you have to go ask someone.

On Linux, at least, once you have a base set of knowledge you can mostly figure things out.

25 July at 1:33 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.tmm.cx
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HP van Braam :verified: replied to HP van Braam :verified:

@forestjohnson That's not to say that things are great now. Not at all.

I'm just trying to say that the problem is large to the point where it seems that nobody has ever even TRIED to fix it.

25 July at 1:34 | Open on mastodon.tmm.cx
Forest replied to HP van Braam :verified:

@hp Yeah, that's what I'm saying, nobody has done it yet. But that doesn't mean its impossible. Windows is absolutely not the way, but I do believe that a well-documented HTTP-based UI for linux, systemd, and docker, could potentially be a home run.

It would have to include the linux installer too, including managing the installation from a phone, so you don't have to plug a kbd and mouse into the server.

25 July at 1:36 | Open on social.pixie.town
HP van Braam :verified: replied to Forest

@forestjohnson I'm mostly wondering how to preserve the "useful errors that will tell you what went wrong."

I've never seen that done in anything GUI-like, other than just stuffing a log-file into a textbox. And at that point it'd be better to be able to run grep on it, or find all logs around the same time on the system...

How do you give a novice user information like "This violated an SELinux policy" and let them fix it, without making it easy to accidentally allow an exploit to run.

25 July at 1:40 | Open on mastodon.tmm.cx
Forest replied to HP van Braam :verified:

@hp

> How do you give a novice user information like "This violated an SELinux policy"

1. disable SELinux

2. If you want to enable SELinux, you have to make a GUI for it -- you have to actually go into the SELinux source code and add the parts that will enable actual usability. Not to create a shitty error message like "This violated an SELinux policy", but to create an error message that contains the word "because".

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.. nobody has ever even TRIED to fix it.

Nobody ever tried to fix climate change either... But if we don't fix it, it's all over real quick.

I believe in an interpretation of what we observe about the universe that says that "what we observe is generally what was most likely to happen". aka "many worlds"

In a thousand years, the only likely outcome that anyone will be around to observe, is the outcome where we got thru it...

I took a heroic dose of psychedelics and saw the Golden Path, so I'm trying to walk it. Succeed or fail, don't care, at least I tried and did my best. Sue me.

@hp

> How do you give a novice user information like "This violated an SELinux policy"

1. disable SELinux

2. If you want to enable SELinux, you have to make a GUI for it -- you have to actually go into the SELinux source code and add the parts that will enable actual usability. Not to create a shitty error message like "This violated an SELinux policy", but to create an error message that contains the word "because".

25 July at 1:50 | Open on social.pixie.town
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