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Simon Poole

On the eve of #OpenStreetMap's 20th anniversary, it is slightly upsetting to see the pivotal piece of software that stopped OSM from vanishing in to obscurity and that was, between 2006 and 2014, the 1st contact with editing OSM for most contributors, considered not-notable by @wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t

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SK53

@simon @wikipedia @richlv @seav @edward Another example of the arbitrariness of Wikipedia.

I'd think TBL spending a minute or two in a TED talk in 2010 demonstrating editing with Potlatch, might suggest it had a huge cultural impact.

InsertUser

@simon @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward
I don't seen an edit screenshot in there, unless it's such an old version that I don't recognise it.

Unfortunately It seems that redaction bot had its way with the featured "Terrace Theater" object and it has only been re-added a few months ago.

overpass-turbo.eu/s/1OkJ

SK53

@simon @wikipedia @seav @edward A quick scan shows Wikipedia articles on occam, Ten15 and OSF's ANDF (latter two are the same thing), BCPL, Simula etc.. All were influential (not sure about Ten15), but had a small number of users mainly decades ago: in the main they deserve articles because they provide important historical context for later developments. This is not only true of Potlatch (for the conception of iD by @richardf), but it also had massively more users.

Simon Poole

@SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf my guesstimate would be ~half a million users, which is a lot more than a -lot- of other "specialist" software.

InsertUser

@simon @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf where is the discussion archived for its proposed deletion?

The book burners at Wikipedia seems to be in charge these days.

Simon Poole

@InsertUser @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf wasn't deleted, instead the entry was redirected to the OpenStreetMap entry. If the content had been integrated in to that, it would have been OKish (except that the OSM article is really bad with lots of bloopers, but still better than the German one).

InsertUser

@simon @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf that's still a deletion in my book. All the information was deleted and the page made more hidden than if it had been left as red text.

InsertUser

@simon @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf
LOL, the person who appears to have changed it to a redirect has as one of their "objectives":

> Neutral inclusionism: Ensure the objectivity, completeness, and lack of historical revision, of the history of computing and gaming. Convert condemnations into explanations.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:S

So to make it more complete delete the info.

What happened to warnings about stubs that need expansion and discussion before deletion?

@simon @SK53 @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf
LOL, the person who appears to have changed it to a redirect has as one of their "objectives":

> Neutral inclusionism: Ensure the objectivity, completeness, and lack of historical revision, of the history of computing and gaming. Convert condemnations into explanations.

SK53

@simon @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf So possibly in the top five most popular pieces of GIS software, after iD, ArcGIS and QGIS.

I've noticed that Wikipedia articles often have a strong recency bias, especially for corporations : the EMI Group article includes broad conglomerates of the original EMI and Thorn-EMI which had the current EMI business as a subsidiary generating no more than 25% of turnover. The sundry UK government radar research labs in Malvern are treated more rationally.

InsertUser

@SK53 @simon @wikipedia @seav @edward @richardf

I think the general trend in #Wikipedia is that anything relating to things that existed more than 10 years ago gets edited down bit by bit until it's a stub and then deleted as not notable because all the citations got lost in the edits.

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