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Two updates to this thread.

Update 1: In this thread I complain Mozilla does not provide specific technical details about this feature. It turns out there *is* a document with the technical details, on Github:

github.com/mozilla/explainers/

It also explains (wiki.mozilla.org/Origin_Trials) which sites are participating in the feature.

I am linking this document because I believe the first five words do more to discredit what Mozilla is doing here than anything I could say:

"Mozilla is working with Meta"

14 July at 20:30 | Open on mastodon.social
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moondog548
mcc

Update 2: I didn't know this, but it turns out Apple Safari is *also* spying on what ads you view and click on, and sending that info (with some anonymization) directly to advertisers via a backchannel?

apple.com/legal/privacy/data/e.

It's worse documented than the Firefox/Chrome versions, and like Firefox (unlike Chrome) there is no clickthrough consent. I don't expect better of Apple, but this *grates* given they're running big "A browser that's actually private." billboard ads in my neighborhood.

Update 2: I didn't know this, but it turns out Apple Safari is *also* spying on what ads you view and click on, and sending that info (with some anonymization) directly to advertisers via a backchannel?

apple.com/legal/privacy/data/e.
14 July at 20:34 | Open on mastodon.social
Reiner Jung

@mcc Well it is privately spying on you. The others do it publicly. Or something like that. I would like to have a law that makes tracking illegal.

14 July at 20:39 | Open on norden.social
mcc replied to Reiner

@prefec2 Unlike Chrome it doesn't disclose to you that it's spying on you, so that makes it "private".

14 July at 20:40 | Open on mastodon.social
Don Marti

@mcc lol I just checked on Apple Safari and it turns out you have to go to Settings, Safari, then scroll all the way down to "Advanced" to find and turn off "Privacy Preserving Ad Measurement"

(TIL participating in a market economy without leaking an information advantage to counterparties is considered "Advanced" now)

14 July at 20:39 | Open on federate.social
Hugo Mills replied to Don

@dmarti @mcc I think "advanced" is just another name for "don't you worry your pretty little head over it, darling".

14 July at 20:42 | Open on mstdn.social
Nazo replied to Don

@dmarti @mcc I always found it weird that people think Apple is an exception to all these things. They're just less open about it. Eventually they'll have a leak and it's going to be *BAD*, I guarantee it.

14 July at 20:45 | Open on mastodon.social
mcc replied to Nazo
Nazo replied to mcc

@mcc @dmarti The key difference, as far as I can tell, is that Apple tells people they can trust them more than the others. So obviously it must be true.

14 July at 20:58 | Open on mastodon.social
mcc replied to Nazo

@nazokiyoubinbou I mean, it might in fact be you can trust Apple more than the others. But that is not the same statement as "you can trust Apple".

14 July at 20:58 | Open on mastodon.social
Nazo replied to mcc

@mcc It might be. Or it might not be. With all the closed source obfuscated binaries, locked down systems, and unknown stuff going on on their servers, I trust them even less until proven otherwise.

14 July at 21:01 | Open on mastodon.social
Don Marti replied to mcc

@mcc @nazokiyoubinbou looks like someone over there is still mad that people complained about the "Chaos Monkeys" guy and they're taking it out on users (the "App Store" has turned into the "deceptive ads for crappy clones of the app you're looking for" store)

14 July at 21:24 | Open on federate.social
Zimmie replied to Don

@dmarti I hadn’t noticed that anti-feature. Hiding it like that is ridiculously trashy behavior on the part of Apple and the Safari team.

14 July at 20:50 | Open on infosec.exchange
axat

@mcc
Apple has always been Google with better PR.
We need some alternative in OS for phones, I know there are few like Graphene but the hardware limitation makes it difficult for mass adoption.

14 July at 20:40 | Open on mastodon.social
Aral Balkan

@mcc @hub All the better to preserve your privacy with, my dear.

14 July at 21:11 | Open on mastodon.ar.al
gkrnours

@mcc the same ads in in the entrance of a lot of subway in paris. :(

14 July at 21:18 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Hubert Figuière

@mcc I have seen a similar billboard many time. Alas as I’m driving didn’t get a shot. It replaced the one about their camera….

14 July at 21:22 | Open on cosocial.ca
mcc replied to Hubert

@hub i mean, as far as i know they actually do have good cameras. that advertisement was probably accurate.

14 July at 21:23 | Open on mastodon.social
ocdtrekkie

@mcc So I was already annoyed they haven't correctly included policy templates to control this in enterprise environments, and now... *this stuff is for Facebook*?!?!

Gosh darn if #Mozilla is good at one thing it is dumping all the trust placed in them as expediently as possible.

14 July at 21:20 | Open on mastodon.social
funnymonkey

@mcc Yeah - the explicit admissions of an experiment, in collaboration with Meta and "other actors" is something.

14 July at 21:20 | Open on freeradical.zone
mcc

@funnymonkey @ocdtrekkie Would it make me a conspiracy theorist if I asked whether snuggling up to Facebook indicates they're worried about their Google funding line?

14 July at 21:23 | Open on mastodon.social
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