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I think this is why the position founded on the deeply researched belief of 'nuh-uh' still has traction ( and why they think there must be so much money in climate stuff- it's a huge refrain, with no basis).

That said, in a lot of political situations right now it's 'odds of being dead in one year' due to policies, and that is now a very measurable number is horrifying.