Tinker ☀️

@remenca - Oh, I'm all for automation, especially for mundane things.

But the current iteration of AI is "automate the art and poetry" while forcing people to do the drudgery, as opposed to "automate the drudgery" and allow people to create the art and poetry.

#ai #solarpunk

Like 21 June at 14:28 | Open on infosec.exchange

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Remença

@tinker

I disagree. AI is not forcing anyone do the drudgery. It is our capitalist overlords.

21 June at 14:29 | Open on mastodont.cat

Tinker ☀️

@remenca - I think we both agree.

AI as a neutral and generalized concept can absolutely be employed in many wonderful ways.

AI in the current sense - LLMs and similar - that steal from people and shit out trash and use a fuck ton of energy (and employed by our 'capitalist overlords' as you say) is bad.

I'm not referring to the concept of a neutral tool removed from the context of politics or use. I'm referring to the current iteration of AI specifically how it is being used in this moment within the context of its politics and economics.

@remenca - I think we both agree.

AI as a neutral and generalized concept can absolutely be employed in many wonderful ways.

AI in the current sense - LLMs and similar - that steal from people and shit out trash and use a fuck ton of energy (and employed by our 'capitalist overlords' as you say) is bad.

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21 June at 14:31 | Open on infosec.exchange

Remença

@tinker

Absolutely. Actually, I am very mad at how AI is being presented to society. Years ago I'd say I work in AI and it was like "wow, that's cool". Now people look at me like some kind of thief, worried that the things that my peer do will take over their jobs. It's just so fucked up. And all for Sam Altman to have a sightly better yatch. I

21 June at 14:37 | Open on mastodont.cat

rateexportpilot

@tinker @remenca I don't know who I cribbed this from, but the best characterization of this I've heard is that AI is fine when it's used to help creative people do tedious tasks, not when it's helping tedious people do creative tasks.

21 June at 14:47 | Open on infosec.exchange

Remença

@rateexportpilot @tinker

But again, this is not AI's fault, this caused because AI is employed according to capitalist greediness. But strangely, AI criticizists rarely mention capitalism. I do not understand it.

21 June at 14:49 | Open on mastodont.cat

Tinker ☀️

@remenca @rateexportpilot - But tech is never removed from politics or its use.

So you can't meaningfully discuss tech removed from how that tech is used.

Criticisms of AI are specifically criticisms of how they're being used right now.

21 June at 14:57 | Open on infosec.exchange

Remença

@tinker @rateexportpilot

Exactly, but the problem is that the ones that misuse AI are never mentioned. And that makes no sense, at least if you want to solve the problem.

21 June at 15:02 | Open on mastodont.cat

MaxTheFox

@rateexportpilot @tinker @remenca @nyrath Yea, I wouldn't say it's AI *as a tech*... just what uses of it are being promoted by corpos.

I definitely wouldn't mind a robot maid to do chores for me while I write. Or even a text-editing AI to fix some of the jank in my writing (I'm ESL) or catch logical errors. But I have little use for *generating* content.

Alas, generating things wholesale is easier to sell, so corpos mainly promote that. That's the real waste.

23 June at 3:14 | Open on spacey.space

MaxTheFox

@rateexportpilot @tinker @remenca @nyrath I did see some people railing against automation in general in the wake of the AI craze. And I facepalmed so hard that I felt I almost got a concussion.

23 June at 3:18 | Open on spacey.space

K.R. O'Connell 🇦🇺 ✅I❌

@tinker @remenca
and it doesn't do that properly

I expected a know all comp like on star trek
that you ask a question and get THE answer
not just any old crap that it can dream up?
And I am still expecting that to be made
one that only knows facts that have been checked

23 June at 4:09 | Open on mastodon.social