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james

@samir

contrary to what folk might expect, I picked 25-50%, though it's on the lower end if not sub 25%.

I think it's quite unfair if folk think it's the majority. Ignore the AI Fintech predatory shitlords, most devs are just doing little bits of code that you won't hear about that are just keeping things going.

I understand the general public think it's super high numbers, and I am generally very "fuck devs" out loud, but I wanted to take a rare moment to say "I don't think it's as high as people are voting".

I'm not trying to defend myself. Well, maybe a little hehe. as I try my very best to argue against pointless shit at work all the time, and avoid unethical harmful shit at all costs (though it might be getting harder).

But this is more for the computer pokers quietly poking, just trying to get by and who often don't earn the salaries people assume.

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james

@samir I suppose a lot rests on peoples definition of "pointless".

I could argue it's all pointless, but in accepting that we live in a capitalist society and people need to make a living and also need some sort of job satisfaction, I cannot.

Just thinking out loud.

Computers suck due to what we're using them to achieve and the goals behind that

But many programmers are just random ppl trying to get by I guess, a tonne of them do not earn the money folk assume (though most, not all, likely earn more than the avg income for their locale, which is only justifiable in terms of get as much as you can out of your boss, and are still not paid fairly in terms of what your work earns a business, like everyone in every job should be)

@samir I suppose a lot rests on peoples definition of "pointless".

I could argue it's all pointless, but in accepting that we live in a capitalist society and people need to make a living and also need some sort of job satisfaction, I cannot.

Just thinking out loud.

Computers suck due to what we're using them to achieve and the goals behind that

skze

@james @samir possibly a problem is also that people generally get paid for Making Products.

and i… i don’t think i have seen a zero-harms product in my entire life.

so i have to vote high because inside a harmful system, every product is harmful in one way or another

NotHelpfulUntilIAm🥤 🌛 🗄️

@james @samir Oh, you include "i need to live so i program pointless stuff to earn money" in not pointless?
I would argue it can be pointless (like the thousandth website including backend that does exactly the same thing) and people working on it have a point (earning money). The software itself is still pointless (how i understood the question, "pointless products") while the people have a good reason to write it.

samir, talks too much

@james That’s my guess too. IBM’s a massive employer of programmers, but they’re not nearly as big as all the little shops making little WordPress sites combined.

I’m trying to put my finger on an emotion, not a real value.

I think the majority of people voting here are tech nerds, BTW. My guess is that the general public would vote lower.

james

@samir

I think very online and also reasonably ethical devs are probably voting quite high, heh

samir, talks too much

@james Say one thing about Fedi, it’s full of people who are Very Online.

Mx Verda

@samir @james hey! Ur online therefore so’s ur mum

james

@MxVerda @samir

my mum doesn’t use the internet
check mate

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