@samir I suppose a lot rests on peoples definition of "pointless".

I could argue it's all pointless, but in accepting that we live in a capitalist society and people need to make a living and also need some sort of job satisfaction, I cannot.

Just thinking out loud.

Computers suck due to what we're using them to achieve and the goals behind that

But many programmers are just random ppl trying to get by I guess, a tonne of them do not earn the money folk assume (though most, not all, likely earn more than the avg income for their locale, which is only justifiable in terms of get as much as you can out of your boss, and are still not paid fairly in terms of what your work earns a business, like everyone in every job should be)