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Foone🏳️‍⚧️

The idea would be to have a standardized-as-much-as-possible VM interface, and then your OS can implement that. New OS just needs a new implementation.

The point is protection against compatibility problems: it should be possible to run a PC game from 1982 and a video editing program from 2005, in the same way and be sure that you'll still be able to run them in another 30 years.

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Digital Mark λ 📚 🕹 💾 🥃

@foone Well, we did have Java, and Flash. Both made the mistake of object loading from the network which made them instant virus loaders. WASM is New Safer Java but dumb because it's built in a web browser.

✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

@mdhughes @foone wasm is not tied to web browsers and it's not even particularly convenient to use from javascript

lp0 on fire :unverified:

@mdhughes, I'm assuming that by “it's”, you mean “it is” rather than “it has”…

Michal Nemecek

@foone this... would be the holy grail of virtualization 😲

Clifton Royston

@gabrielbezerra @foone

That's a solution for a different problem - letting you write games/other software now that can run on many machines in the future. (Also its capabilities and performance are strictly limited by design, which is totally legit.)

I think what Foone is dreaming of is more like a super-duper version of VMWare or other hypervisor, to let you run *existing* software targeted to any OS, under any other OS/hardware.

And hell yeah that would be a huge step forward.

All We Like Worms

@foone makes me think of the old Freedows project:

"OS that would be binary-compatible with multiple existing OSes including Windows. Based on the stanford "cache kernel" principle, it aims at providing application kernels that in turn provide functionality of Windows, Linux, MacOS or other systems, to unsuspecting applications written for these systems, all at the same time. "

Being able to containerize the VM and run on a sort of meta-kernel would be cool as hell.

tunes.org/wiki/freedows.html

@foone makes me think of the old Freedows project:

"OS that would be binary-compatible with multiple existing OSes including Windows. Based on the stanford "cache kernel" principle, it aims at providing application kernels that in turn provide functionality of Windows, Linux, MacOS or other systems, to unsuspecting applications written for these systems, all at the same time. "

Phoebe Zeitler

@foone This is basically just Java If It Didn't Suck.

The idea behind Java was pretty much exactly this. In practice it was too advanced for its time, and by the time it was "usable" it was unusable for that purpose because of the breaking changes it took to get it to "usable" rendering the old code unusable.

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