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✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

i get that recall is a wake-up call for many people about this, but please use your reasoning abilities?

half the queer people you talk to might have a secret receipts folder they put dirt on you in so they can complain about you later

this should be a part of your threat model already

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nadja

@whitequark You have … interesting queer aquaintances, I do not envy your threat model.

✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

@dequbed
- i don't know who might be doing that or not
- i know some are doing it
- therefore i must assume everyone does, and anything i say may be used against me later

this isn't normal?

nadja

@whitequark No, that sounds horrifying. Even if you're a politician/person of public interest you should be safe from everything you say to anybody being used against you when kompromat is needed.

✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

@dequbed ... well, I guess I'll try to convince my stalkers of that

nadja

@whitequark I'm not here to dismiss your experiences, I'm just saying that no this should not be the norm for anybody, and I absolutely do not envy you.

Stardust-Y5459
@whitequark @dequbed no but having been a victim of similar things it's absolutely not an unheard of precaution imo
Peter Bindels

@whitequark The big difference is that for one it's a conscious choice to retain the data, and the one doing it is the person you interact with. For the other it's an automatic thing, and the data can likely be extracted by whoever manages to get access to the system.

There's a difference between how much I trust some people, and how much I trust their computer systems and how well they're adminned.

✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧

this is a reasonable point mastodon.social/@Gaelan@cathod

I also guess I'm a little too used to being in awful situations in general

SnowFox

@whitequark It’s a bit like “Microsoft sharing your wifi password with everyone isn’t anything guests couldn’t already do” (“Wi-Fi Sense” which they turned off after ~10 months apparently) or “auto-deleting messages don’t prevent the company from spying on you or the other party from screenshotting”.

It would be nice to hand out single-device WPA2 PSKs, but I don’t have APs that support that. It would also be nice if the popular auto-deleting-messenger had E2EE, but it doesn’t so I don’t use it. It would be nice if people did not trust “auto-deletion” with people they wouldn’t normally trust (the number of pictures out there with a countdown timer in the top right is *way* too high).

@whitequark It’s a bit like “Microsoft sharing your wifi password with everyone isn’t anything guests couldn’t already do” (“Wi-Fi Sense” which they turned off after ~10 months apparently) or “auto-deleting messages don’t prevent the company from spying on you or the other party from screenshotting”.

Xandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️

@whitequark Agreed, though that implicitly assumes people have reasoned and more-or-less explicit threat models at all. I'd be willing to bet that's not the case for a lot of people who are either privileged enough to not need to immediately care, or who do not have the technical expertise and/or community support to reasonably assess their infosec posture.

yavien

@whitequark what doesn't kill you gives you a threat model others may find "interesting"

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