Gregory's ServerHow would you exactly leave EU market ? Ban all ips from eu?
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@Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer I think they think that a MEP somewhere will wave a magic wand and you'll suddenly be unable to operate. I guess, in principle, it'd end up being a little like Iran - access only via side-loading and (potentially) using signal proxies. @ben @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer What is MEP ? What is that secret thing they pull off ? @svitvojimilioni @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer Sorry: MEP = Member of European Parliament There's no secret thing for them to use - it's just that some of the politicians seem to think there is (or, more accurately, that it's a problem for someone else to solve - like backdooring encryption so only they can see...)  @ben  @ben fwiw, the parliament mostly opposes this. it's the council and individual governments of EU states that are pushing this bullshit under the cheap guise of BuT TeH cHiLdReN. @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer  @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer But the EU already mandated Apple let users sideload from outside the App Store. 😁 🤪 🤡 😈 @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer Apple still control notarization of apps available from alternative app stores. @chrisvest @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer Yes, in violation of EU mandate... @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer I actually consider it a strength of the EU that there are regularly two forces pulling in opposite directions.  @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer But you can only vote for one of them. Peak democracy here. 💀💀💀💀  @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer You vote for the state governments and you vote for the MEPs. The commission is the end result of the state governments and by MEPs. Doesn't differ from US practice of president appointing secretaries of state or of European practice of parliament majority appointing the prime minister (and they in turn the cabinet),stamped by the President. None of this is direct democracy, ofc, but I assume that wasn't your complaint.  @iju @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer You've just pointed out something that ~20million brexiters couldn't grasp. @gsymon @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer I suppose it would look different from English perspective as the winner of English election ends as the British PM, and singular ministers aren't as much in the spotlight. The Scottish or NIrish perspective would be different, which shows how the brexit-mentality rises from the privileged position the English enjoy in the British polity, leading to incorrect assumptions on representative democracy as a whole.  @iju @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer There is some level of state politicians trying to push stuff through the EU they can't get past their own parliament. For example, the Danish representative in the council voted for the patent directive, even though our parliament (and voters) were against. @leeloo @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer Not going to spend my Sunday going through everything's that's wrong in both facts and views of that post. @SrEstegosaurio @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer I didn't know the European heads of state are unelected. @pkraus @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer Abstracted representative democracy if you wish. @SrEstegosaurio https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l1muuLA_Egc @pkraus @brar @dalias @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer  Unfortunately Apple is not complying with this mandate and the EU doesn't seem to be doing anything about it.  @AudraTran And then suddenly and surprisingly they're whacked with a hefty fine... (I hope.)  Would you provide an alternative way for installing Signal in case you will be banned from distributing the app in the EU? I don't think there is any reason to not let users download the .apk directly from web. For example Steam does that. @cuu508 Abolish the walled gardens. Signal already has the APK on their website. And there is Molly et all. But lets not forget, while we - tech savvy people - are perfectly fine circumventing this horseshit, is is everyone else that gets hurt by Chatcontrol. Call your MPs and force them into action.  @Mer__edith @svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer I guess, the #EU would do the same to Signal as #CN did to #Monal (the iOS #Jabber client): They asked Apple to remove it from the regional app store and Apple submissively complied. Existing installations continue to work, though. https://monal-im.github.io/monal-im.org/post/00010-ios-banned/ @svitvojimilioni @Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer ?? The phone number, which is linked to your Signal account, has a country code prefix, doesn't it? |
@svitvojimilioni @echo_pbreyer We would not comply. Then what would happen would happen, which per the law would amount to somehow being prevented from operating in the EU. Likely through app store deplatforming but who knows.