@Shrigglepuss the last few notebooks I've bought all come from e-recyclers. great thinkpads, slapped linux on them, bam total daily drivers

1 out of the last 12-15 machines, in as many years, ive bought or built came from erecyclers. the only new one i got was for my kid's gaming rig, and even that runs linux.

i have two machines from 07, 08 which still run just fine with linux.

it can be done. just not by apple or microsoft.

used machines last decades. i have proof