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Lats

@GryphonSK if a country is truly democratic then nasty policing should eventually be fixed at the ballot box. Countries with serious gerrymanders have serious authoritarian tendencies and it is evident in their suppression of people who they donโ€™t like.

A Separate Account

@GryphonSK especially considering how many times we've proven the most violent demonstrators are actually undercovers

Nick

@NotOnMainToday @GryphonSK yes. Time and time again since the '60's

Steve

@GryphonSK Oppressor is a term often used my Marxists. The history of Marxism is red with the blood of those that disagreed.

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@sfehl @GryphonSK
I'm not a Marxist, but I'm aware enough of Marxism to understand that Marxism is not inherently violent or oppressive; many Marxist thinkers and activists have advocated for nonviolent means of social change and have opposed oppressive regimes. I suggest you learn more about Marxism so you can have a proper understanding of it.

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@Radical_EgoCom @sfehl @GryphonSK Other than the works of Marx himself, where should we go to find Marxism that isn't Leninism? Seems like once he got hold of it, Communism just became a new suit for a new Tsar. (Even more so under Stalin, and now Putin is trying to emulate Stalin without even pretending to be Communist)

Should we look at Trotsky?

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@andytiedye @sfehl @GryphonSK
Hell no, not Trotsky! Anton Pannekoek, Daniel Guรฉrin, Paul Mattick, Cornelius Castoriadis, Murray Bookchin, Sam Dolgoff, and Maurice Brinton are some notable Libertarian Marxist authors to look into to learn about Marxism. Rosa Luxemburg, while not a Libertarian Marxist, is also a very good author who wrote on Marxism and critiqued the authoritarianism and bureaucracy within the socialist movement of her time.

Donald Ball

@andytiedye @Radical_EgoCom @sfehl @GryphonSK Bakunin, but more pertinently, the expansions on Marxโ€™s analyses from thinkers in the global South.

argv minus one

@sfehl

That's like saying vegetarianism is evil because Hitler was a vegetarian.

@GryphonSK

the cake is offline

@sfehl @GryphonSK Capitalism has killed literally billions. Far, FAR more than communism. Stop being a bootlicking collaborator and stand for the people.

adaddinsane (Steve Turnbull)

@cakeisnotalie @sfehl@mastodon.social @GryphonSK

Brand new account pushing right-wing BS , just block and move on. It's a bot and you're giving it the engagement it craves.

Dave

@cakeisnotalie @sfehl @GryphonSK

Colonialism.
The trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Each of these capitalist events have a consequential death toll that dwarfs the entire history of all forms of Communism.

nicholas_saunders

@Properganda @GryphonSK

This isn't a logic problem, but a syntactical or other linguistic problem.

The usage of oppressors etc is a symptom.

Language isn't neutral but rather shapes your perceptions, so this type of person can only see on back and white. And not even very clearly or with depth.

#sapirwhorfhypothesis

David Koff (he/him)

@GryphonSK counterpoint: Denying that your movement has a problem being peaceful towards #Jews is the language of the victim.

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