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ben πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ ui

It's just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It's just a matter of time until all your messages on Discord, Twitter etc. are scraped, fed into a model and sold back to you.

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Orb 2069

@felipe @ben
Particularly your carefully crafted ALT tags.

datarama

@Orb2069 @felipe @ben This is something I've thought about ever since I started here. It's great that people here take their time to make the web better for disabled people.

But unfortunately, high-quality image descriptions are a gift to AI companies training text-to-image models. There is no act of altruism these assholes will not exploit.

Bornach

@datarama @Orb2069 @felipe @ben

Maybe I should add extra stuff to ALT text that would be confusing to AI but amusing to the reader. I'm thinking along the lines of XKCD -- can't imagine how a generative AI trained only on xkcd Alt tags would respond to prompting

Mighty Orbot

@ben Stack Overflow has already been monetizing your answers with ads for years. If β€œused for profit” is your main complaint, you’re a little late.

AndrewFelix πŸ€πŸ΄β€β˜ οΈ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡Έ

@mighty_orbot @ben @mighty_orbot @ben The argument isn't about profit, which is pretty clearly outlined. OpenAI's explicit and ultimate intent is to replace people and in the meantime it's spitting out garbage information.

Bornach

@andrewfelix @mighty_orbot @ben
And their software is laundering the original source of the information from which their AI training data was derived. Doesn't the original author deserve some credit for when ChatGPT regurgitates a lossy paraphrasing of a post scraped from the Internet?

Personne

@ben Feels like the Enclosures (Tragedy of the Commons).

DELETED

@ben use @briar, it's a really good thing, I like it

Jason Hunter

@ben Why do people care if someone like me gets your excellent answer to a coding question by typing my error message into Google (forwarding to SO) or into ChatGPT?

In neither situation were you getting paid. In both situations the middle man makes a buck. In both situations I’m thankful you spent time helping me.

Is it that with ChatGPT I don’t know who to thank?

matty matty bang bang

@hunterhacker @ben it's that chatgpt is fundamentally built off copyright infringement and theft. even if in this situation there's no profit being taken, in other situations there absolutely is. openai is fundamentally scummy, and it's good to push back if you can.

Bornach

@hunterhacker
@wuppy @ben
Yup. OpenAI refuses to reveal what was in their training data.
You may be thankful for an answer to a question but thankful to whom? ChatGPT generates answers claiming it as its own creation and OpenAI gets the credit. At least pre-2023 search engines directed you to the original source.

When asked to create a new game that never existed before, ChatGPT regurgited someone else's game idea and gave it a different name.

gizmodo.com/chatgpt-copy-sumpl

@hunterhacker
@wuppy @ben
Yup. OpenAI refuses to reveal what was in their training data.
You may be thankful for an answer to a question but thankful to whom? ChatGPT generates answers claiming it as its own creation and OpenAI gets the credit. At least pre-2023 search engines directed you to the original source.

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@hunterhacker @ben with ChatGPT the answer gets turned into atoms and reconstructed, often with errors. It's not showing anyone's answer, it's showing a slop that approximates what it thinks looks most correct.

You have no one to thank, no one to correct, and ChatGPT couldn't start to tell you where the answer came from even if it was 99% from one person.

Tristan Colgate-McFarlane

@nus @hunterhacker @ben for a bonus, it's also burning the planet to tell you that mess of a wrong answer too

matty matty bang bang

@hunterhacker @ben it's also just your own writing and you should be able to choose what happens to it. this forces users to contribute to training data even if they don't want to, you can't opt-out.

Willard Herman

@ben

Unless we just refuse to use anything online that does this.

Thomas Casteleyn

@ben Isn’t that common knowledge? They are already as soon as they appear on for example Google Search..

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