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sidereal

@dangoodin @chu @ianrosewrites Well… the good news is that the whole point of this thread is that the trash you see is a tiny percentage of the plastic waste you don’t see, most of which is produced by industrial processes and distribution, not individual consumers.

Their propaganda seems to have worked on you.

22 April at 16:55 | Wall-to-wall | Open on kolektiva.social
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sidereal

@dangoodin @chu @ianrosewrites Let me attempt to put this a other way.

It is impossible for me to care very much about the consumption habits of households when I have seen how much food and plastic are thrown away at the end of every single shift at every single restaurant and grocery store. Capitalist distribution & enforced scarcity are the main drivers of pollution & waste, not individual people making suboptimal decisions.

22 April at 16:59 | Open on kolektiva.social
Dan Goodin

@sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Yes, thanks for that. I'm going to use immense amounts of single-use plastic going forward and feel perfectly fine about it. Thanks for freeing me of the effects of this crippling propaganda.

22 April at 17:14 | Open on infosec.exchange
T Chu 朱

@dangoodin @sidereal @ianrosewrites

Hey, we're on the same team here.

We have a common enemy. Eat the fucking rich.

22 April at 17:15 | Open on climatejustice.social
Jay

@dangoodin @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites The point isn’t to ramp up your own usage, it’s that the majority of the effort to reduce waste must be focused upon the corporations and governmental processes that produce the majority of that waste.

Taking away subsidies for meat and granting them to plant based meats, putting severe limits on plastic usage and breaking up monopolies cuts down significantly on individual use, too.

22 April at 18:17 | Open on mastodon.online
Dan Goodin

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Consumers support corporations by voting in pro-corporation politicians, eating at McDonalds, buying tons of plastic crap at Walmart, and having food delivered in cars and served in plastic containers. Here in the US, at least, governments are dysfunctional. They can't be counted on to even fund themselves. Waiting to take action only after the government cracks down on corporations is a recipe for failure. Individuals can and must feel the imperative to change their climate-destroying ways.

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Consumers support corporations by voting in pro-corporation politicians, eating at McDonalds, buying tons of plastic crap at Walmart, and having food delivered in cars and served in plastic containers. Here in the US, at least, governments are dysfunctional. They can't be counted on to even fund themselves. Waiting to take action only after the government cracks down on corporations is a recipe for failure. Individuals can and must feel the imperative...

22 April at 18:21 | Open on infosec.exchange
Jay

@dangoodin @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites Yes, which is why the choice should be made easier by increasing access to sustainable and plastic free items both physically and financially, and at a time when economic inequality is through the roof and a dwindling number of corporations control markets, voting with your dollar is less and less possible for any given person.

22 April at 18:26 | Open on mastodon.online
Dan Goodin replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Corporations aren't going to provide plastic-free options when consumers are perfectly content shelling out huge sums for the status quo. Definitely, some people can't afford to make changes, but huge numbers of people can . . . and don't. And they justify their inaction by saying corporations must act instead. Again, in our current political environment, the government is completely ineffectual. That isn't likely to change anytime soon. Until it does, individuals face an imperative to pick up the slack.

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Corporations aren't going to provide plastic-free options when consumers are perfectly content shelling out huge sums for the status quo. Definitely, some people can't afford to make changes, but huge numbers of people can . . . and don't. And they justify their inaction by saying corporations must act instead. Again, in our current political environment, the government is completely ineffectual. That isn't likely to change anytime soon. Until it does,...

22 April at 18:33 | Open on infosec.exchange
Jay replied to Dan

@dangoodin @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites Yeahhhh I think we’re going to disagree here. I do not stop the buck at the feet of the people with the least amount of power.

22 April at 18:38 | Open on mastodon.online
Dan Goodin replied to Jay

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

What about all the people with means who say fuck it?

22 April at 18:40 | Open on infosec.exchange
T Chu 朱 replied to Dan

@dangoodin @WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @ianrosewrites

Fuck the a holes who still buy gas guzzlers and water bottles in 2024.

22 April at 18:43 | Open on climatejustice.social
Dan Goodin replied to T Chu 朱

@chu @WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @ianrosewrites

Careful, @chu People buying gas guzzling muscle cars and having door dash delivered to their work meetings have no other choice. After all, they have the least amount of power even though they're responsible for 2/3 of the economy. Far better to wait for a dysfunctional government to pass common sense legislation than expect these individuals to wake the hell up and make better consumer decisions. Thinking otherwise just means you've been brainwashed by the propagandists.

@chu @WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @ianrosewrites

Careful, @chu People buying gas guzzling muscle cars and having door dash delivered to their work meetings have no other choice. After all, they have the least amount of power even though they're responsible for 2/3 of the economy. Far better to wait for a dysfunctional government to pass common sense legislation than expect these individuals to wake the hell up and make better consumer decisions. Thinking otherwise just means you've been brainwashed by...

22 April at 19:35 | Open on infosec.exchange
Dan Goodin

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Yeah, but who are the people buying all the waste the corporations produce? I realize many of those people are poor and have no other choice. But what about everybody else? I know huge numbers of people who get doordash 3x a week even though they have the means to choose more sustainable options.

Given we can't count on politicians to reign in corporations anytime soon (at least here in the US) a far more effective lever for changing corporate behavior is for those of us with the means to stop supporting these corporations. But instead, so many of these people feel perfectly entitled to their consumption of plastic, energy and other climate harming stuff because . . . .corporations.

@WhiteCatTamer @sidereal @chu @ianrosewrites

Yeah, but who are the people buying all the waste the corporations produce? I realize many of those people are poor and have no other choice. But what about everybody else? I know huge numbers of people who get doordash 3x a week even though they have the means to choose more sustainable options.

22 April at 18:39 | Open on infosec.exchange
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