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Tube❄️Time

the chip pins are crimped. this is a huge pain even with the super nice desoldering tool (FR-301)

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Tube❄️Time

removed the one PROM chip and, confirmed, it was a pain. the other chips will be easier though...

Tube❄️Time

just clipping the leads of the chips using side cutters will make this much easier. they're just plain TTL anyway.

Darryl Ramm

@tubetime Just makes those chips slightly harder to resell on EBay 🙂

Tube❄️Time

the sockets are going to be trickier. i'm thinking i need a soldering iron tip that can hit all the pins at once. did a web search and the 5th result was MY OWN DANG TWEET from like 2 years ago, lol. i think i just "Fooned" myself.

twitter.com/TubeTimeUS/status/

vk3kri

@tubetime
Some decades ago I filed a 16 pin DIP desolderer from a lump of copper , with a bit that fit a normal soldering iron. Not hugely sucessful as the irons I had then didn't really have enough power to get it hot enough. The cut all the pins off and desolder one by one method won in the end.

Jeff Haluska

@tubetime With as much de soldering that you do, I'm surprised you don't' already have one.

Tube❄️Time

routed (except for a few RAS and CAS lines). i also have the schematic, but it needs cleanup work.

Tube❄️Time

dumped the PROM. it seems to be part of the address decoding process or memory mapping.

Tube❄️Time

so this board looks like it does both XMS (extended memory) and EMS (expanded memory). expanded memory is banked and uses a 64K (iirc) window to access it.

William D. Jones replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Ahhh, so it's like the AST RAMpage 286 :D!

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

well crap, this board appears to be a clone of the Intel Above Board Plus 8 card. it sure looks the same!

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

yeah sure looks identical. welp, now we know how it works, lol.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

OK, here are the KiCad files. it's not really a fab-able design because there are still DRC errors, but at least the schematic is useful.

github.com/schlae/XebecAboveBo

root42 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime but has it ever been reverse engineered before…? That would be a bummer. But if not: success!

Keelan

@tubetime how do you go from PCB layout to schematic? When I did this, I ended up tracing the PCB in a CAD package, the writing a thing that analyzed the lines and spit out a netlist. I then learned that while many tools exist to convert schematics to netlists, I couldn’t find much to go the other way ‘round.

Tube❄️Time

@keelan i'm running a trace in layout, seeing where it goes, then creating the connectivity in the schematic and pushing it to layout to create the connection.

UpLateGeek

@tubetime RSVP all those legless chips. May their logic live on in the schematic, and in your future clones of their board!

Jeff Haluska

@tubetime I suspect that this will be the hardest part of this project.

Taki

@tubetime when I was a kid and new parts where out of reach, as well as a desoldering pump, I used this 👇, googles and an old jacket. Melted the solder in a region and hit my hand with the PCB on the table, with the parts side down. Inertia did the rest...

Tube❄️Time

@old_Taki good idea but i don't want to burn the board.

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