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vga256

little story for tonight.

while i was goofing around with #globalTalk, I ended up searching for some old Simpsons icons for my classic Macintosh (an LC 475), and stumbled upon an entry on the garden called Banned Simpsons Icons. (Who could resist downloading something with a title like that?)

They were called the "Banned Simpsons Icons" because Fox once sent the artist - Jeanette Foshee - a cease & desist letter for her uncannily perfect renderings of the copyrighted characters. they planned on suing her for every penny she made ($0.00) on them. this was back in 1995.

i thought - hell, what a wild story. why don't I get a hold of the artist - jeanette - and find out more about her banned icon set?

what i stumbled upon broke my heart, and i ended up spending a week digitally preserving what i could find.

read the rest of this diary entry here: www.dialup.cafe/~vga256/diary.

#smallWeb #homepage #worldwideweb #marchintosh #macintosh

81 comments
CharlieG

@vga256 That’s very sad. I had these icons back in the day. They really were good.

vga256

@Charles yes. i've rarely seen better ones :)

Chris Silverman 🌻

@Charles @vga256 we had them on the hard drive icons for the Macs at the student newspaper. I remember the computers were named things like "Mr Burns" and "Lurleen Lumpkin".

This is the first I'd heard that Fox actually tried to get them wiped from the Internet. That is so stupid. I'm glad they failed.

vga256

@csilverman some of the icons are hilarious. there's one labelled "Mr. Burns' Lawyer", and it's a drawing of a shark.

Wesley Moore

@vga256 A sad story. It's a shame how ephemeral people's website's are, but then I suppose that's the nature of life. Great work giving this one some more time online.

vga256

@wezm i'm so glad a few more people can see her for who she was.. and besides, she was an incredibly talented pixel artist!

Robert Kist 🇦🇹 🇸🇬

@vga256 oh man, I remember those! There was a site called Iconfactory that regularly featured classic Mac icons and icon artists

vga256

@kwramm yup she even links out to them :)

Box of Bugs

@vga256 thanks for digging out and preserving her site. Sad story :(

vga256

@boxofbugs i was honoured to do the work. i only wished i could have gotten to know her :)

Alan

@vga256 Thank you for sharing. And thank you for being you.

vga256

@Alan i have few other options. :D thank you!

voxpopsicle

@vga256 beautiful story - thanks for putting in the time

WhichOne'sPink 🇫🇮

@vga256 Lurleen Lumpkin had an episode all her own where Homer was her manager. She appeared as a washed up former star in a later episode where she delivered what was likely her best line; "I spent last night in a ditch."

vga256

@NickSchwanck the artist drew a pretty great lurleen.

Arne Babenhauserheide

@vga256 that’s sad and sweet and horrible at the same time.

And it’s pages like this one I miss — though that it still said „tired of being alone“ when she died may show that our pages of old often did not work as people needed. Which may be why social media captures so many more people.

vga256

@ArneBab that's a good point. at the same time i have never seen any social media post quite as intimate as her homepage. i really get the feeling that i'm seeing her for who she is, rather than who she wants to be seen as. that's what i miss about homepages.

Arne Babenhauserheide

@vga256 I fully agree. I much prefer those homepages over social media posts.

I just have the feeling that the homepages didn’t quite accomplish the connecting.

(I also prefer writing on my own website, though, and it’s a static page with stuff that matters to me, so I’m biased ☺: draketo.de )

vga256

@ArneBab you’re right. it’s interesting that they didn’t. i’ve had plenty of e-mails about my homepages over the years, but none of them resulted in long lasting friendships. there is ONE exception to that - for me at least - blogs. I ended up having a few 15+ year friendships out of the mid 2000s blogging era. i guess those would be considered social media now - but at the time they felt more like homepages :)

Arne Babenhauserheide

@vga256 Actually social media also did not lead to long-lasting friendships for me (also not today), but I know it’s different for others. They rather led to me finding interesting people, and friendships started on other platforms I found that way.

IRC, email lists and forums did, though.

vga256

@ArneBab 😂 it has been a real mixed bag for me. i’ve had a couple of long lasting friendships from the twitter of 2007-2012, but nothing after that.

glad you mentioned irc! I’m still in contact with a few people from my irc channel that is now 29 years old and still going :D

vga256

@ArneBab will be happy to link out to your homepage from mine. great site, and I appreciate the bilingual text!

Arne Babenhauserheide

@vga256 gladly!

Though bilingual parts are less structured than before. On old websites I had actual parts split by language. Now I mostly have some articles in German, some in English, and I collect the most important ones in sections by language. That means that it is necessary for readers to ignore the parts in languages they don’t understand.

Also I have to start creating link-lists of other pages again. Currently all I have is “important articles elsewhere” and lists of links per topic.

vga256

@ArneBab sounds perfect to me. any amount of translation is very much appreciated - autotranslate in Safari produces some rather ah “poetic” english from german

kctipton

@vga256 The obit has the awful detail that the mom still lived but both brothers had already passed. How sad for the mom.

vga256

@kctipton 😬 i hadn't noticed that myself.

Andrew Cook :hokkaido:

@vga256 that's a sad story, but thank you for taking the time to write it up! It frustrates me that companies like Google are all too happy to destroy internet history. I've tried recently to go back and find old sites I had in the 90s and 2000s, and there's a lot that's missing on The Internet Archive, unfortunately. I wish I kept better backups.

vga256

@piepants it's frustrating - i'm very thankful IA has made some of it salvageable.

alba

@vga256 the litigious aspect of companies is atrocious. I understand that some copyright protections need to be in place, but this was such a small thing, and with no $ earned from it, why bother?

As an artist myself, if my original work was unaltered and someone claimed it was their's, I'd be pissed. But if they used a piece of it, or were inspired by it, and properly credited it to me, then I'm okay with it, provided an agreement is signed.

Big corps kill small artists, and kill creativity.

Flamekebab

@vga256 there's something really bleak about that obituary. It talks about her time in school - what about her life after that?!

vga256

@Flamekebab sometimes i see people who just - disappear - after a certain point in their lives. they turn inwards and never quite re-emerge, and their best/only memories are all of times 20-30 years earlier. even jeanette's own home page doesn't cover her life after university.

Flamekebab

@vga256 I suspect it's disturbingly common. I am of the firm belief that identity building should explicitly be part of people's upbringing. Fading into the background as an adult is both bad for the individual and the society as it leaves people vulnerable to being preyed on by people selling an identity (pushy religions, political movements, over-commercialised sports teams, etc..).

europlus :autisminf:

@vga256 are they the same ones as those on my GlobalTalk share in the WOzFest HQ server?

europlus :autisminf:

@vga256 I’m pretty sure they are I have four volumes.

vga256

@europlus yes, but they're missing volumes 5-11 which is why i archived jeanette's site.

vga256

@notabene my pleasure. it sure gave me a lot to think about.

naught101

@vga256 your website doesn't play nice on dark mode (because the text is white on a white background)

vga256

@naught101 that is because it is precisely designed to never, ever be shown in dark mode.

naught101

@vga256 right, but if you set your text colour to something dark (don't just leave it unset), then it will be readable as a dark-on-light page, even in a dark mode browser.

Bart Allen

@vga256 good share and thank you for what you do. Preserving that old school Internet is important. Very sad that she passed away so young and before her mother. I wonder what it could have been from?

vga256

@barryallen2023 my pleasure. i wish i knew too. there were very few details available.

geoffl

@vga256

"It's been many years since I've heard from anyone
concerning my icons. Will you be the first to renew contact?" 😭

Ross of Ottawa

@vga256 ah! I remember everyone having those on their early Macs around the office. Must've been like OS 7-ish?

Martijn Frazer

@vga256 Man, what a story. Jeanette seems rad.

Wojo

@vga256 Sad story, well written though. Definitely hits close to home. Glad you were able to archive as much as you could of her website.

marceles 🌴🌴

@vga256 this is amazing! thanks for sharing it with us and going all the way to find her story, blog and links, really touching.

I wasnt able to open them, but anyways, it makes me think about the old internet days, how different is from today and also, nowdays there's a lot of people profiting from the simpsons, selling merch and fan art stuff and fox now disney is chill about it, really makes you think how unfair that letter was

vga256

@marceles_pixel good point! i'll aim to convert all of those old macintosh icons into windows/macOS compatible ones in the coming days :)

Vlado Vince

@vga256 this is beautiful, thank you for sharing it with us

Morgan Aldridge

@vga256 Thank you for your efforts. They are absolutely important and worth it!

wakest ⁂

@vga256 oh damn I want these as emojos! @dantescanline we need the chief wiggums

Ángel
This is a really moving story. Thanks.
Dr. Fortyseven ◣ ◥◣ ◥ 🥃

@vga256 Finally got around to reading this. As a 47 year old guy in a not too different situation, this really spooked the hell out of me. 😨

Thank you for writing that up and preserving her memory! I never knew her name, but I never forgot what Fox did. They did her dirty and, after all these years, it's remained at the forefront of my mind whenever a corporation oversteps and attacks a fan for artistically expressing their appreciation.

vga256

@fortyseven it sure resonated for me too - I'm in my mid-forties, and things could have very easily been different for me. after reading jeanette's page, i said to my wife "I never imagined that I could have died alone." it was sobering, and sure gave me an appreciation for what i've got.

i had no idea these icons were such a huge deal back in the day. we freely swapped them in our high school computer lab back in the day.

Luny

@vga256 Sigh! That is very sad. But well done on bringing her memory alive. A wonderful thing. #memories

geoffl

@vga256
For anyone like me who wants to see all the icons but lacks the necessary hardware/software:

Download the icon volume you want to see (ie Springfield01.sea)
Fire up the OS8.5 online emulator at InfiniteMac infinitemac.org/1998/Mac%20OS%
Drag and drop the .sea file into the emulator.
Open "Downloads" folder in the "Outside World" folder.
Double click the .sea file to extract the contents.

NOTE: If the emulator complains that it can't open the file just change the suffix to .sit and try again.

@vga256
For anyone like me who wants to see all the icons but lacks the necessary hardware/software:

Download the icon volume you want to see (ie Springfield01.sea)
Fire up the OS8.5 online emulator at InfiniteMac infinitemac.org/1998/Mac%20OS%
Drag and drop the .sea file into the emulator.
Open "Downloads" folder in the "Outside World" folder.
Double click the .sea file to extract the contents.

shinypb

@vga256 Thanks for doing this. You made the world a little bit better.

Gytis Repečka

@vga256 Does anyone already got those into their :fediverse: server as custom emojis? :blobcatcookienom:

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