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SomeAnoTooter

@scottjenson you wrote: "for saying the "#UX of opensource isn't great"", so yes you at least wrote it here. Yes you are correct with the engineering focus.
I find it hard to say anything about responsibility in the space of open source. The beauty of the freedoms kind of free maintainers from any demands. So I can totally understand when they get annoyed by demands that might be camouflaged by legitimate criticism. I think what you are talking about is also a reason for toxicity with Linux.

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Scott Jenson

@SomeAnoTooter I'm not trying to make a large categorical point. I'm just trying to say that there MIGHT be a better way to improve UX in #OpenSource other than "just do a small PR". Let's start with:
1. Have the maintainer want better UX (not hard)
2. Discuss the changes ahead of time so everyone is on board (hard)
3. Create a list of small PRs needed
4. ***THEN*** start with the individual PRs

That's a process that will get the work done and hopefully have everyone in sync

@SomeAnoTooter I'm not trying to make a large categorical point. I'm just trying to say that there MIGHT be a better way to improve UX in #OpenSource other than "just do a small PR". Let's start with:
1. Have the maintainer want better UX (not hard)
2. Discuss the changes ahead of time so everyone is on board (hard)
3. Create a list of small PRs needed
4. ***THEN*** start with the individual PRs

SomeAnoTooter

@scottjenson that sounds reasonable well, but I feel like 1. can sadly be more challenging with some people.
I'm convinced, that bad UX is a struggle for a lot of maintainers, so discussion about it is good. I just wouldn't frame it as a general open source problem. Maybe there are specific open source tips and guidelines but mostly it won't be coupled with just open source space in general.
Anyways, thanks for your input.

Julik Tarkhanov

@scottjenson @SomeAnoTooter I think it is this part 2 which is a problem here. A lot of UX stuff is highly subjective and about creative control, and this is where the design-by-commitee that is a cornerstone of OSS might not work. Or at least I've yet to see it work except in very few cases

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