Gregory's ServerIn truth though, a LOT of what we have learned about "what creates long-term achievement" can be summed up as "pretty much not what we think." But like, this is rational....long-term achievement would be plentiful and common and easy to access and probably people like me wouldn't be studying it if the things that drove it DID easily match our conceptions about it 😭
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@grimalkina I'm so glad I never worked for a company like this. I'm probably unemployable for US or at least silicon valley companies 🥳 @sashag silicon valley crushed me for a while, truly. But I feel now this lived experience is something I've gotten a lot out of untangling and it provides a lot of fuel for the things I want to help build in the world as alternatives. Everything is eventually material to a psychologist I guess 😎 @grimalkina It is. I recently heard someone say "I never thought I would be on the autism spectrum, because I'm so fascinated by people and communication. And I don't have a special interest. Until it dawned to me: it's people, people are your special interest." And I just thought, shit, that's me 😬 So from a layperson's perspective: absolutely yes :blobcatfluffowo: @grimalkina Uhh... that sounds like a red flag to me! I associate that sentiment with discrimination and inequity. For the record, I don't think that's common in Silicon Valley. I've seen plenty of elitism there, but also a growth mindset and an obsession with self improvement. Not so much talk of "good genes" or innate propensities... @ngaylinn it is highly complex. Many orgs adopt a lot of language of growth mindset but contradict it. There's lots of implicit ability beliefs particularly in how we assess technical talent. I do think it's pervasive and baked into multiple FAANGs where I've gotten a hard look at their perf design. I mean, I was in a people ops org and then consulted across multiple hiring and diversity initiatives as a researcher so while I was sharing a personal anecdote this is also professional opinion. @grimalkina I don't disagree! I'm fascinated by how people say and even think they believe a thing, and yet do the opposite. I've seen that quite a bit in terms of explicit "DEI" stuff, so I'd expect it here, too. It's just harder for me to think of examples, especially ones as extreme / obvious as this! If there are more subtle indicators of this kind of cognitive dissonance that you think are common, I'd love to hear more examples. :) @grimalkina @ngaylinn I've experienced this quite a bit as a technical writer: "We are the Engineers, the blessed few who understand the Deep Magic, who wield the arcane symbols of…" My dude, the writing team has been running their own build because you clowns can keep an environment stable for more than 12 hours. @grimalkina That's even worse than the people who talk about how traits are part of a company's DNA! At least the "company's DNA" folks are only spouting unhelpful nonsense and not outright eugenics. @grimalkina Ergh, yuk. My time trying to be a professional musician taught me that “talent” is unlikely to exist, but motivation and effort sure do. I even knew someone who took offence at being called “talented.”  @grimalkina I have always wondered about this. My time in both academia and finance has led me to believe that money, as an example, is far less motivating than it’s made out to be, and the ways it *is* motivating aren’t what people generally think. @wordshaper I think money/resources are a very fundamental force, but at all levels of resource imo human beings have fundamental psychological needs (I am extremely anti the Maslow hierarchy of needs thinking, which isn't very evidenced -- while obviously, resource need constrains your attention and urgency and creates crisis, I think it is very destructive to act like people without money can't want to create or connect or are as capable of wanting intellectual fulfillment at the same time) @wordshaper but on a smaller level it truly cracks me up that people think there is going to be a magical linear relationship between motivation and like, throwing someone who makes a massive salary a little bonus or something, vs the very fundamental other needs that they are clearly thinking about every single day like autonomy in work and flexibility to be with their families and a million other things that are CLEARLY RIGHT THERE @grimalkina @wordshaper Not to mention whatever is measured in those marginal bonuses often encourages antisocial/harmful practices for people who are in it for the bonus, versus holistically invested and putting in the hidden labor. And that cheapens everything and makes leadership look like dispassionate clout-chasers to the people who care most.  > what creates long-term achievement I always thought long-term achievement was created mostly by dumb luck. Was that wrong? |
In retrospect it was SO funny going from doing PhD research on how we form beliefs about achievement deriving from effort vs from essentialist ability and how important it is to not act like skills and abilities are innate and "pre-determined"....
....into a tech company that LOUDLY talked about people having the right "DNA" and "genes" to succeed there (was this the influence of the human genome project, I felt it was??) 😭 I suffered