@molly0xfff
> "but no one would do it if it was opt-in!"

Then you don't have a business model, you have an extortion racket. Give it up before we imprison you.

@molly0xfff Also cool how the standard is now "give all the content to the AI companies and THEN offer the opt-out to users."

@molly0xfff it’s truly inspiring to see what happens when an industry with multiple decades’ worth of broken consent models gets a terrifying amount of capital dangled in front of the hot new surveillance tech

wait, not “inspiring”, the other one

@molly0xfff

"You put rocks in the Fritos?? Why??"

"Well, it cuts down on manufacturing costs. Also, we allow people to opt out of the rocks."

"Opt OUT? Why not just ask people if they want rocks in their Fritos?"

"C'mon, no one would ever ask for that!"

@molly0xfff
Apparently, when someone connects OtterAI to their Zoom and Google accts, the bot will auto-join any Zoom meeting in their Google calendar and start transcribing, whether the person is attending or not. 👍 😎

@molly0xfff AI is cool and all but this stuff should be done only though surveys, like seen in medical surveys and stuff. people get paid for their time and insight into training the models, and the ethics are a bit more sound. Either that or just don't train the plagiarism machine.

@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io If no one would do it if it was opt-in, maybe it shouldn't be done at all.

@molly0xfff the UK did this with NHS data years ago. All our data is fair game to make the nobles richer. The existence and produce of the serfs belong to the lord of the estate.

@molly0xfff if they want my data they can pay for it like real capitalists.

@molly0xfff tbh I think a good amount of people would opt-in if they got a thing offering them $5 on Venmo to do it

@molly0xfff there should be a law against unilateral amendment of a ToS.

@molly0xfff and they're also mysteriously avoiding the EU, but that's absolutely nothing to do with data privacy 🤔

@molly0xfff 100%. https://hachyderm.io/@jimmylittle/111746680732491963

@molly0xfff right...
What can we do about it that will be effective?

@molly0xfff
@yaelwrites made this Big-Ass opt-out list.

My questions:
What specific services need to be added to this list?

Who can write a script to do all the opt-ing out for me, given this list?

https://github.com/yaelwrites/Big-Ass-Data-Broker-Opt-Out-List

@molly0xfff 💯 It's not a mistake. If you lead with 'Opt out' you *know *you are the bad guy. Let's not try to be cute.

@molly0xfff

The golden rule: treat others as you'd like them to treat you.

@molly0xfff

I imagine sooner than soon, once we sign up for any online venture we will agree to them automatically signing us onto every other service and site and subscription they also provide, and from any subsidiaries, since they’ll already have hands in our entire was-private life, including bank info. And it’ll be up to us to catch and cancel as it goes, with each month restarting the auto-subs on a clock.
Then the indentured servitude from near-instant massive debt starts.

@molly0xfff
There really isn't much demand for AI.

@molly0xfff Sigh...

@molly0xfff
I'm deleting every app off my phone that is not completely necessary. Fuck em.

@molly0xfff Not in support of AI and data harvesting but there are *A lot* of things in software that nobody would ever opt into if they weren't opt-out by default. Less so because they don't want it, but moreso because they don't care and don't feel like expending effort to do so.

@molly0xfff
What's the over/under on them selling your data even if you opt out?

@molly0xfff I would very much like to see consumer protection legislation that preemptively outlaws doing anything to a consumer or with their data that they would have said no to had they been directly asked.

@molly0xfff Wordpress seems like the platform of choice for SEO-hacking spam blogs that are the most enthusiastic adopters of LLMs, so maybe in this once instance, it will be a self-correcting problem.

@molly0xfff Uninstalled Adobe this week because an update force fed an AI feature. Byeeeee

@molly0xfff no one does anything if it's opt in FYI. It's a broken model.

@molly0xfff Just don't even think about it at all!

@molly0xfff
Fine, we'll make it opt-in.

"Enable the setting below to opt-in to keeping your data away from our data brokers (until next time we ask)."

@molly0xfff

honestly if it was opt out by default I'd be the only one to opt in just so all AIs would be trained on my exact mannerisms and behave like me. that'd be kind of fucking funny.

@molly0xfff "You need to let us do the thing that nobody wants us to do or we don't have a business model" is always such a great argument. An argument for something, at least, even if maybe not for the conclusion they think they are making it for.

@molly0xfff Make AI training opt-in and organ donations opt-out.

@molly0xfff As I tend to say, if you have to trick people into accepting your product, maybe what you have is a bunch of shit

@molly0xfff Old and busted: "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product."

New hotness: "If you're not paying for the product, you're training some other company's product." (and sometimes you still are even when paying for the product! 😵‍💫️)

@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io Instead of becoming more likeable they literally decided to rob everyone.

@molly0xfff When the EU started demanding websites to *easily offer a way to reject tracking/marketing cookies* I read about marketers complaining that this was really hurting their businesses because when people could make the choice easily 90% opted out...

@molly0xfff Are they doing that in the EU? (Do you have more info / links?)

@molly0xfff My favourite part of the GDPR is that it requires informed consent. If people don’t understand what they are consenting to, you don’t have the consent required by law. A lot of web sites fail to meet that bar.

@molly0xfff I'm sure we're opted in by default for our safety/security/convenience*

... *delete where applicable

@molly0xfff Which companies have actually even offered opt out for AI training purposes?

@molly0xfff It used to be "If you're not paying for the product, you're the product."
Now it's "If you didn't know about / forgot to turn off our AI training features, you're the product."
Soon it'll be "You're the product. Try to disable our data sharing services and see how fast your entire digital life gets put up for ransom."
Moving swiftly on to "Disabling our 'integrated AI collaboration platform' will net you X years in prison" (under the guise of "stopping cyberterrorism" of course).

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#TotD:
Hi #AI: I opt out. If you’re truly intelligent, you’ll know what to do.

@molly0xfff in the EU illegal... There may be legals ahead.

@molly0xfff @BeefGriller well I would opt in but I’m the minority in this, so …