Gregory's Server@gerrymcgovern I want to see degrowth supporters set out visions for how we will support the most vulnerable in our society. This piece is pitched to the middle classes (and I do understand the need to appease the middle classes) but I need to see how we will support disabled people, homeless people, poor people, refugees (economic, climate, and otherwise).
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 @elmyra @gerrymcgovern This is an important point because there’s a certain faction of degrowthers who will, when you press them on this issue, act like disability and chronic illness are symptoms of capitalism (instead of things that happen regardless of capitalism) and get real cagey about how we ensure that mobility-limited people will get around in a car-free society and diabetics will get insulin, etc. /1 @elmyra @gerrymcgovern Not that I’m against degrowth generally because we have to put up with a lot of junk, pollution, and bullshit with the way things are, but UBI and “doing community care like in ancient times” are not going to substitute for medicine or mobility aids. People need to check their ableism. /end @MisuseCase @gerrymcgovern yep. And even if a non-zero amount of disability and chronic illness *is* caused by capitalism, any degrowth society is going to have to deal with the soon be billions of people with some form of long covid/ME that it will inherit from capitalism. Unless the plan is to just continue capitalism's eugenics campaign against us...  @MisuseCase @Syulang @gerrymcgovern I think what the degrowth rhetoric increasingly glosses over in an effort to appease the middle classes is the need for concurrent radical redistribution. Not just from the private jet owning classes either. That article gives me the creeps because it's very much "you'll still have your lawn and white picket fence, you'll just work three days a week". @elmyra |
@elmyra That's a great and important point. From what I've read, universal income is part of the degrowth approach. Fairness is key and essential. It's a cultural mindset that shares a lot with indigenous cultures I've read about.