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Nina Kalinina

I wanted to tell you more about other applets, like on-screen keyboard, calculator, backup, clock and file manager, but I found a KITTEN.

This app serves the same purpose as the "mouse pointer trail" in Windows, but instead of the trail, your computer mouse is chased by computer kittens. You can have up to 8 of them on your desktop, and not all of them will be following the cursor - some will get tired and will fall asleep on the spot.

You can give belly rubs to all your computer kittens. Hey @netkitty can I give you a belly rub too?
6 February at 15:01 | Open on tech.lgbt
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David JONES

@nina_kali_nina if there are different fonts installed, would be nice to see what sort of variation in Kanji style is available. Or maybe it's just more sizes of (unscaled) bitmap fonts.

6 February at 15:06 | Open on typo.social
Nina Kalinina replied to David

Let me boot into it and take a few screenshots a bit later!

6 February at 15:10 | Open on tech.lgbt
Nina Kalinina replied to David

@drj here are more or less all the fonts available in the text editor. Some of the font options looked just like other options, but used Chinese versions of kanji instead of Japanese ones.
6 February at 15:42 | Open on tech.lgbt
David JONES replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina aha, nice to see. Line 2 is "that crappy Roman Latin font that seems to be ubiquitous among Japanese phototypesetters" spaced badly/full-kanji-width.

6 February at 15:49 | Open on typo.social
Nina Kalinina replied to David

@drj isn't it 明朝? It is Mincho, right?

6 February at 15:52 | Open on tech.lgbt
David JONES replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina tbh, i don't know. i don't do Kanji font recognition; was going off the Latin part. But just on the basis of its ubiquity, Mincho would be a good guess.

6 February at 15:56 | Open on typo.social
KITTEN.EXE

@nina_kali_nina i’ll allow it :3 what nice computer kitty friends!

6 February at 15:07 | Open on hackers.town
Nina Kalinina

Time to explore the business applications. To start a business application, you either open an existing document, or choose the document type from the "box of templates". Whenever you click a link in the "box of templates", the OS will ask you to give a name to your new file, and will add it to the main "Chokanji" window. Internet browsing session is also a document.

If you open lots of documents, it creates a lot of clutter in your main window, which is incidentally a task switcher. Not very convenient.

Among document templates, there is "Applet window" template, that allows to run some of the applets not listed in the right-click menu. Disk utility (the one used by installer) and shell are among those. There's a curious file called "unixemu", but trying to execute it causes a segfault, which creates a window with lots of unnecessary for a regular user information.

A few more boring applets that I didn't include in the list were serial terminal and dialer.

Time to explore the business applications. To start a business application, you either open an existing document, or choose the document type from the "box of templates". Whenever you click a link in the "box of templates", the OS will ask you to give a name to your new file, and will add it to the main "Chokanji" window. Internet browsing session is also a document.
6 February at 15:09 | Open on tech.lgbt
Nina Kalinina replied to Nina

Text processor looks simple - just a window for text input, but it is actually a proper word processor, with formatting and such hidden behind the right mouse button click.

Drawing application has an external movable window with a tool palette. It seems to be vector editor, but the OS supports common image formats (GIF, JPEG and probably more).

There's some sort of email client, but email session is a "document". There's a web browser (I'll show it to you soon), and a spreadsheet tool with yet another multi-window interface. Note how trying to copy something from a spreadsheet asks for the clipboard format - plain text, CSV, image or "precise".

There is also some sort of cardfile application, and there seems to be an ability to create SCRIPTs, but it will be impossible to figure out without reading the documentation, so maybe some other time.

Text processor looks simple - just a window for text input, but it is actually a proper word processor, with formatting and such hidden behind the right mouse button click.

Drawing application has an external movable window with a tool palette. It seems to be vector editor, but the OS supports common image formats (GIF, JPEG and probably more).
6 February at 15:15 | Open on tech.lgbt
Umur Gedik replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina oh it uses maru instead of checkmark for confirmation. makes sense

6 February at 15:19 | Open on mastodon.social
Nina Kalinina replied to Nina

Setting up the Internet requires two things. First, invoking "System settings" applet and adding your network card there. There is a wide list of supported cards, from ISA and PCI to PCMCIA. Then, there is a separate applet called "Network settings" that is used just for IPv4 settings - set up your IP and DNS there. It doesn't seem to support DHCP.

After that, you need to create a "Browser document" that will allow you to access some of the web over HTTP. The default site is chokanji's home page.

The browser is quite basic, with GIF/JPEG and some table support, but generally it feels close to Links than to even Internet Explorer. Google works, but HTTPS sites won't. It IS pretty cute.

Setting up the Internet requires two things. First, invoking "System settings" applet and adding your network card there. There is a wide list of supported cards, from ISA and PCI to PCMCIA. Then, there is a separate applet called "Network settings" that is used just for IPv4 settings - set up your IP and DNS there. It doesn't seem to support DHCP.
6 February at 15:20 | Open on tech.lgbt
Nina Kalinina replied to Nina

And that's basically it. This is all B-right/V Business TRON OS implementation has to offer. To shutdown your computer, RMB click main "Chokanji" window and choose "Close". It will create a pop-up "Do you want to finish?", and after that the only things left will be KITTENS and a dialogue window "Chokanji has been shut down. Reboot. Finish". Kittens will follow your mouse, but they always stop at pop-up window boundaries, it seem. That leaves them helpless against surprise belly rubs, highly recommend.

After you press "Finish", the screen will show white text on the black screen: "Please turn off the power switch".

It's time to make some green tea and reflect on all the incredible software that we use daily and don't notice. Don't get me wrong, there is massive difference between desktop B-TRON, embedded I-TRON, and Nucleus on phones and cameras... But it is more ubiquitous than JAVA, and yet almost no one knows about it.

*sip*

And that's basically it. This is all B-right/V Business TRON OS implementation has to offer. To shutdown your computer, RMB click main "Chokanji" window and choose "Close". It will create a pop-up "Do you want to finish?", and after that the only things left will be KITTENS and a dialogue window "Chokanji has been shut down. Reboot. Finish". Kittens will follow your mouse, but they always stop at pop-up window boundaries, it seem. That leaves them helpless against surprise belly rubs, highly recommend.
6 February at 15:27 | Open on tech.lgbt
Wolf480pl replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina hmm if this system is so ubiquitous, we need to ask the important question:

does TRON fight for the Users?

6 February at 19:29 | Open on mstdn.io
Rafael replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina
Wow! What a gorgeous UI! I had heard of TRON but only as the OS for cellphones and microwaves. 😅

Thank you so much for this great overview!

6 February at 15:28 | Open on mastodon.sdf.org
Felipe Kinoshita replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina have you tried pasting the selected drawing into the text editor? there's some pretty strange embedding things on the system!

6 February at 20:14 | Open on mastodon.social
Nina Kalinina replied to Felipe

@fkinoshita I haven't, but I imagine it will work similarly to OLE in Windows 3.1, where an app will be embedded inside of an app!

6 February at 20:18 | Open on tech.lgbt
Felipe Kinoshita replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina Yes, you can even embedded the webpages and it preserves all links inside it!

6 February at 20:31 | Open on mastodon.social
Andrew Warkentin replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina @fkinoshita It's kind of similar, but unlike OLE, every file is also a directory and actually contains all the documents linked into it more or less. It's similar to how hard links work on Unix, although the name is associated with the inode equivalent (the real object), not the directory entry equivalent (virtual object a.k.a. link record)

7 February at 1:28 | Open on social.restless.systems
Andrew Warkentin replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina unixemu is a system program (basically a kernel module), not a user program. It only implements Unix API compatibility, and not a shell environment. A Unix shell environment with development tools can be found at chokanji.com/developer/downloa (specifically selfenv.bin). Once you've installed it, you can run /SYS/ucli from the console to get a Unix shell, although it's a bit limited

7 February at 1:35 | Open on social.restless.systems
Nina Kalinina replied to Andrew

@andreww thank you for the explanation! This is what I expected. Kind of sad they didn't put it on the CD, there was still plenty space left.

Also, curiously, the 4.5 release looks just like 1.1 release os-museum.com/brightv/brightv.

p.s. Thank you for your OS archival and museum efforts :)

7 February at 12:42 | Open on tech.lgbt
Andrew Warkentin replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina B-right/V's appearance barely changed across versions, with probably the biggest change being the wallpaper. Even the last version of its 16-bit predecessor, 1B/V3, looks pretty similar (although 1B/V1 and 1B/V2 were much flatter). AFAIK there were some major changes between B-right/V versions that weren't immediately obvious (for instance, B-right/V R2 a.k.a. Chokanji 1 added support for all codepoints of the TRON character set and Chokanji 4 added shared libraries)

7 February at 22:38 | Open on social.restless.systems
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina Here's Chokanji 4, which is very similar to Chokanji V (AFAIK the biggest changes in V are the VMware guest enhancements and a different beginner's guide)
7 February at 22:42 | Open on social.restless.systems
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina And here's 1B/V3. Despite looking similar, 1B and B-right/V are actually distinct OSes, although AFAIK at least some code was carried over from 1B to B-right (mostly in the GUI and applications). Despite being released in 1996, 1B/V3 is still a 16-bit 286 protected mode OS (the first versions came out in the late 80s). The demo version fits on 2 floppies but still has quite a bit of functionality
7 February at 23:13 | Open on social.restless.systems
Nina Kalinina replied to Andrew

@andreww oh, do you have the demo somewhere? I would love to try it out on my 286!

8 February at 0:09 | Open on tech.lgbt
Andrew Warkentin replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina Yes, I've uploaded both the 1B/V3 demo and Chokanji 4 to the Internet Archive:

archive.org/details/1bv3_demo
archive.org/details/brightv400

Both of these include both installer and pre-installed images (PCem for 1B and QEMU for Chokanji)
I've never actually tried to run 1B/V3 on an actual 286. The PCem configuration is for a Pentium

8 February at 0:15 | Open on social.restless.systems
Nina Kalinina replied to Andrew

@andreww Thank you, I will make sure to try it out soon!

8 February at 0:17 | Open on tech.lgbt
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina BTW I'm still working on getting my entire OS museum VM ready to upload. It's taken a bit longer than I thought. I may have gotten a bit too carried away with installing OSes from my backlog. I've been collecting emulated OSes for 20 years, but there were several years where I was downloading stuff but not installing anything.

8 February at 0:20 | Open on social.restless.systems
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina At least now I've only got a few things I want to install, and then I just have to write a simple GUI launcher, clean up some of the metadata/scripts, and actually package it as an image. The initial release will have over 1600 images representing over 600 distinct OSes for over 250 platforms (of course, both of these BTRON OSes are going to be included)

8 February at 0:27 | Open on social.restless.systems
Nina Kalinina replied to Andrew

@andreww awesome!!! Great job! Can't wait to see what OSes I will discover there, and what OSes I know about that you don't have in there yet :)

8 February at 0:29 | Open on tech.lgbt
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina I've still got a pretty significant backlog of install images as well, although I'm going to save most of that for later release. Pretty much anything I consider to be of particular historical significance will be in the initial version though. Much of my remaining backlog is hobby OSes, some of the more obscure 8-bit OSes, and other versions of some of the systems I already have installed.

8 February at 0:47 | Open on social.restless.systems
Andrew Warkentin replied to Andrew

@nina_kali_nina That's only counting OSes that already run in emulation though. I've also go a bunch that currently don't run in emulation but I plan to fix the appropriate emulators to get them working. The first of those is Atari Unix System V (which starts to boot in Hatari but crashes). I'll definitely be documenting this and all my future emulator development projects on my YouTube channel and blog

8 February at 0:53 | Open on social.restless.systems
Kroc Camen replied to Andrew
Mark Eichin

@nina_kali_nina
... looks like the same pixel art that xneko/oneko used, was there just one cat animation in the early 90s that everyone used?
@netkitty

6 February at 15:14 | Open on mastodon.mit.edu
sebastian replied to Mark

@eichin
Seems so. The wikipedia page for neko even has a section about other software using its sprites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neko_(software)#Other_appearances that's larger than the article itself.

@nina_kali_nina @netkitty

6 February at 16:08 | Open on schottkydio.de
Nina Kalinina replied to Mark

@eichin @netkitty please look closely, the art is very different!
6 February at 16:08 | Open on tech.lgbt
Mark Eichin replied to Nina

@nina_kali_nina
Oh, yeah, I guess I just cued on the line style and the sitting-up one, but on closer inspection (even discounting the color) they are much more different than I realized. Thanks, the closeups make this much more obvious!
@netkitty

6 February at 16:39 | Open on mastodon.mit.edu
Gorgeous na Shock!

@nina_kali_nina @netkitty Eat your hearts out, PF Magic and Neko98. 😺

6 February at 16:47 | Open on mastodon.social
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turmoni

@nina_kali_nina I was confused by the third screenshot looking like it contradicted what you said later about cats not intruding on those windows, then I realised that they both had particles after them and were actually part of the text and I like that

8 February at 17:10 | Open on social.treehouse.systems
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