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Why @obsidian is 100% user-supported and not backed by VC investors

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grechaw

@kepano @obsidian

I love obsidian because it seamlessly integrates with my vimwiki writing.

Billy Smith

@kepano @obsidian

Have you come across Sensorica?

They're using a similar approach for Open-Source HardWare designs.

sensorica.co/ventures

Lewis Cowles

@kepano @obsidian
While good principles; lots of note taking and creation software is not VC backed.

I checked out a lot of the "new" and honestly, would prefer not just files on a disk; because without software, it's virtually the same thing as notes going away.

CodeMacLife

@kepano @obsidian This is the reason why I decided to go with Obsidian.

Totally with Ю :questified:

@kepano @obsidian As I rely more and more on canvas, is there a plan to "open-source" canvas rendering? Markdown is there to last. But canvas is not a broad standard. While canvas files are text-based and therefore readable by any software able to, the correct rendering is an Obsidian specific functionality. What can we do to ensure future-proofness of canvas files beyond Obsidian?

EDIT: As it was pointed out, the canvas JSON format seems rather trivial to reimplement.

Colman Reilly

@yuliyan @kepano @obsidian can't imagine it'd be more than a few days work to render them sensibly with something like GraphViz. Depends how much fidelity to the #obsidian display you needed, I suppose.

Colman Reilly

@yuliyan @kepano @obsidian I mean, this took me twenty minutes: a ruby script to read the JSON and render it into graphviz format. There are editors that can edit from that format.

Colman Reilly

@yuliyan @kepano @obsidian not really: the canvas format is pretty clear JSON, so translating it is easy. If/when #obsidian goes bad the install base is big enough that tools to translate to whatever replaces it will be available. Dataview is the biggest problem and I believe there’s a stand-alone version of that in the offing.

Totally with Ю :questified:

@Colman @kepano @obsidian I meant "amazing" as in realizing that the canvas JSON is already pretty resilient. Thank you for clarifying.

Regarding Dataview, I am not in the school of thought, that wants to see Obsidian have more database functionality that it does right now. The referencing between notes and folder structure enforce simplicity and resilience. Combined with tags and naming conventions it is already pretty powerful without dependency cost.

Totally with Ю :questified:

@Colman @kepano @obsidian I believe many things that Dataview does can be done by improving the core search functionality. When it comes to search, I. believe that computers in 50 years should easily be able to display search results based on human language queries. Data should be observable but does it need a technical database implementation other than search indexing?

happyborg

@kepano
Same with #SafeNetwork: non-VC, your data forever and a level playing field for developers and creatives of all kinds at scale at zero cost to them.
@obsidian

cyocum

@kepano @obsidian I don't want to be annoying or rude but I cannot tell what Obsidian does from the front page of the website. I know about how to get your Discord but not what the app actually does. I am not seeing anything obvious that links to "What is Obsidian?" or "About" or something like that.

Maurizio Tatafiore

@26aafa19 @kepano @obsidian

That's probably because the page linked on the profile description is not the main page. If you go to obsidian.md the first thing you'll see is a brief description of the app followed by a few paragraphs of details.

Ben

@kepano @obsidian I love these people. I don't even know what this Obsidian thing is. But that is music to my ears.

Mireya Strife

@kepano @obsidian if only it was open source I'm sure I'd be a heavy obsidian user.

Drew Lisp

@strife have you tried logseq? It's a similar app and takes a few notes from obsidian.

Mireya Strife

@crmsnbleyd yeah but the fact that every single line was a bullet point made it unusable for me.

Drew Lisp

@strife it was the same for me! Thankfully, as an emacs user, I can just use emacs-native tools like org-roam to cope. Might be worth trying with someone else's configuration, if available.

Mireya Strife

@crmsnbleyd I'm in a similar situation with (neo) vim. I have a hacked together conjunction of plugins and configuration files, but it's not the most reliable thing.

Tom

@strife Yeah, I saw some oddities like that, too. I'm trying Anytype (also open source) and I'm happy with it so far. Worth a look.
@crmsnbleyd

Alex L 🕊 🇵🇸

@tjk @strife @crmsnbleyd

AnyType is not Open Source. They promised to release it as Open Source but then they just published the source code with a custom restrictive license. This kind of things are called "source available" while Open Source implies the four freedoms originally listed by Richard Stallman for Free Software. The Open Source Initiative (OSI) made the term popular and lists the approved licenses.

EmbraceBecoming

@kepano @obsidian I've been loving obsidian ever since someone on here recommended it to me. And since it's all in markdown it won't be hard to switch if it ever pisses me off. I like that

Tom

@kepano It's hard for me to understand those words in the context of a closed-source app.
@obsidian

Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

@kepano @obsidian That's great.

However, this might as well change any time.

This is why I don't invest money nor effort in lock-in situations, especially with products I want to use for decades, not just months or until the next hype hits the market.

Related:
karl-voit.at/2021/01/18/tool-c karl-voit.at/2024/01/28/logseq

#PIM

retsil

@kepano @obsidian it works very nicely with proton drive. I can read markdown for just about any device. Much clearer organisation which beats SharePoint, google docs. Not sure why this wasn't around like 10 years ago.

Ian Campbell

@kepano @obsidian Keep meaning to grab a Catalyst license and forgetting, so thanks for reminding me with this. Just did the thing.

Alexander Schmitt

@kepano @obsidian What does VC mean here? All those abbreviations are so ambiguous...

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