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lnl

copyright, same as patents, is not a way through which you can make anything better. any clauses against freedom 0 do more harm than good. and any clauses against freedom 0 can and will backfire against you and what you very intended them to do.

like good fucking luck fighting in court over, say, a contributor arguing that calling someone "bi lesbian" is "homophobic", and therefore prohibited under OQL-1.1.

on the other hand good luck arguing in court that Bogus Holding B.V., a company with no employees and capital of 10 EUR is actually Global Tetrahedron, Inc., a military contractor, and therefore violating OQL-1.1.

meanwhile you've prevented everyone else from reusing some parts of your code under a free software license, almost every Linux distro from ever packaging your software, maintainers of any derivatives from hosting them on Codeberg, ...

copyright, same as patents, is not a way through which you can make anything better. any clauses against freedom 0 do more harm than good. and any clauses against freedom 0 can and will backfire against you and what you very intended them to do.

like good fucking luck fighting in court over, say, a contributor arguing that calling someone "bi lesbian" is "homophobic", and therefore prohibited under OQL-1.1.

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asie

@lnl@screaminginsi.de while I broadly agree with your point, there's some important addendums in my opinion:

a) another issue with "moral" licensing is that you're quickly going to open the can of worms of interpretation and incompatibilities if you try to respect it. we, as a sum of all humans participating in society, can't even agree on what "racism" means and doesn't mean. for another example, some "moral" licenses ban government institutions broadly, others limit themselves to military contractors and law enforcement in specific. but even with the OQL as brought up, am I allowed to use the work as an university employee, or potentially an academic? most universities are in bed with the MIC to some extent, after all. as these proliferate, the issue of "you need to respect the sum total of all licenses that comprise a work" can only get trickier.

b) while it's important to remember the de facto outcomes of choosing a given license - they are legal documents - i think it's also important to point out that a shocking number of people don't care about their work being used widely, and in their case there's no real downside to using a license as a political statement.

c) this isn't even particularly new discourse. Douglas Crockford was doing "moral licensing" as early as 2002, as shown in this somewhat humorous talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hCimLnIsDA ; but in the end, JSHint - a fork of JSLint - put in great effort to relicense to MIT/Expat in 2020.

@lnl@screaminginsi.de while I broadly agree with your point, there's some important addendums in my opinion:

a) another issue with "moral" licensing is that you're quickly going to open the can of worms of interpretation and incompatibilities if you try to respect it. we, as a sum of all humans participating in society, can't even agree on what "racism" means and doesn't mean. for another example, some "moral" licenses ban government institutions broadly, others limit themselves to military contractors...

Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@lnl Those licences always reminds me of how I discovered the "Anticapitalist" License: On a GitHub project. (Meaning you can't legally send a PR if you're not the original author, can't grant any usage to GitHub)
lnl

welcome to web engines! your choices are:
- reference implementation maintained by a big advertisement company, building an ad profile of you, popular in part due to smartphone duopoly,
- engine that doesn't really improve because that would endanger the micro-transaction fee business,
- engine "backed by a non-profit" (which owns the company that is now also in the ad business),
- a previously abandoned "rewrite it in rust" initiative,
- engine that started because a guy needed a project to work on for addiction recovery

welcome to web engines! your choices are:
- reference implementation maintained by a big advertisement company, building an ad profile of you, popular in part due to smartphone duopoly,
- engine that doesn't really improve because that would endanger the micro-transaction fee business,
- engine "backed by a non-profit" (which owns the company that is now also in the ad business),
- a previously abandoned "rewrite it in rust" initiative,
- engine that started because a guy needed a project to work...

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Riedler, fedi maid

@lnl so :akko_thonk:

- google
- bing?
- duckduckgo??
- ????
- ????????

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