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Alan McConchie

The epic linguistic map came up in conversation at work today, so today is one of those days to regularly to pause and spend some time admiring this map of North American English dialects by Rick Aschmann:

aschmann.net/AmEng/

#linguistics #LinguisticGeography #cartography #OutsiderArt #NorthAmerica #maps #dialect #dialectology

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Marcos Dione

@alan hmmm, where's the "Epic Linguistic Map" I was promised in the first sentence? :)

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@alan there's like 5 in my state which sounds right

We have 3 area codes and I can usually guess the area code someone grew up in depending on how they say "I left my jar of mayonnaise on the roof and now I'll have to wash it"

Joseph Riparian πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ

@alan Hmm!! I definitely do not think poor people in St. Louis (Missouri, that weird prong of "North" dialect stretching down into just the City) speak a Chicago dialect. It's much closer to a Memphis drawl, some eclectic Ozark and French affectations, with a little of the clipped Chicago surliness. Our upper crust does put on Chicago airs, lol.

(Well, to my #ActuallyAutistic ear, anyway. I love the English language and all the ways it can be spoken - I look forward to visiting the Northeast someday and hearing "movie accents" as they're spoken irl.)

@alan Hmm!! I definitely do not think poor people in St. Louis (Missouri, that weird prong of "North" dialect stretching down into just the City) speak a Chicago dialect. It's much closer to a Memphis drawl, some eclectic Ozark and French affectations, with a little of the clipped Chicago surliness. Our upper crust does put on Chicago airs, lol.

rothko

@alan there is too much information on this map. it's completely impossible to take in any of it.

Timo

@alan #NewMexico I don't think this map got northern New Mexico correct. (click for map) I opened the map in a new tab so I could zoom in.

Alan McConchie

@timo21 Yeah, everything in The West needs more detail.

Timo

@alan Yes, and there also is a big Basque language area in northern Nevada

Phillip Upton

@alan @timo21

Finally. A map without the β€œmidwest”.

Timo

@philsplace @alan If someone just has to have a 'midwest' here is the only area that makes any sense at all. #Midwest

Phillip Upton

@timo21 @alan

Now you are just messing with me.

The west starts at Colorado and extends to the Pacific ocean.

So… midwest would be around Utah/Nevada.

;-)

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Seriously tho… the β€œwest” in midwest being west of the eastern seaboard is just wrong.

The β€œmidwest” is really the east β€œwest”… since none of it is in the actual west.

Timo

@philsplace @alan Yes, the Midwest USA is a mythical place. Just like 'heartland' is.

Timo

@alan @philsplace I'll never accept that the Great Plains of North America count as Midwest. Having lived in both geographies, there is no way that's allowable.

Phillip Upton

@alan @timo21

Wait… how in the hell are you poeple pronouncing β€œbone”?

β€˜on’ rhymes with β€˜Don’

β€˜Don’ and β€˜Dawn’ are pronounced exactly the same

And the β€˜o’ in bone is a long vowel because of the β€˜e’ at the end

Doctor LURK

@alan it's impressive, but woefully incomplete IMHO - I can think of at least five different dialects just along the I-5 corridor alone, from Chicano English and the modified Valleyspeak (which I mentally call the "skater's dialect") of Humboldt County and the Emerald Triangle to the Portland dialect's fronted vowels and the flat, country radio-informed pseudo-twang of lumber town natives. It's silly to paint everything west of Denver as one huge blob of homogeneity with a few small enclaves!

Alan McConchie

@doctorLURK Yeah, I totally agree, all of The West needs way more detail.

Krupo

@doctorLURK @alan I was going to add the same about the "we're just phoning it in" blob for most of English Canada.

Doctor LURK

@krupo @alan I believe it! The truth is that a lot of research into these dialects is still ongoing because they're relatively young, so not a lot of them have been formally accepted yet. It's still weird to see that unfinished work visualized. We know better than to think it's definitive - we *know* languages are always evolving, if nothing else - but our ape brains can't resist thinking "this is set in stone" when we see static information like this.

It's still a really cool project!

Krupo

@doctorLURK @alan I read on more deeply, and there were a few relevant points. Almost 1000 samples in the collection and following a CBC interview:

"Note to Canadians: Nora points out that Canadians are currently underrepresented on the map. So, this is your chance to change that! Send in your samples...."

It's funny because I can pick up different accents just from the different parts of Toronto

weird herm

@alan I love that New Orleans gets a large inset πŸ’›

Patrick Johanneson πŸš€

@NMBA @alan I think the people in St. Boniface, Laurier, Ste. Rose du Lac, St. Lazare, etc, in Manitoba might be surprised to learn they don't speak French.

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