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"and as algorithms become more general, more real-world problems will be solved, gradually contributing to a system that one day will help solve everything else, too." We are working very hard on the thing that will solve all problems they say and get tons of money and air time. 10 comments
I think that most AI hustlers really do believe their own bullshit. They believe that the ills of the world consist of many small rational, solvable problems, and the task at hand is using intellect and engineering ingenuity to solve them. The role of politics in this process is to accept their solutions and make the needed changes. If only AI hustlers could get the lived experiences of e.g. climate scientists who have tried presenting intellect and facts for decades now. @ttiurani @timnitGebru tbh I find that hard to believe when it comes to climate change. The distribution curve of which percentage of the population causes the most polution is well-publicized. These people have to strip human agency from tech‘s consequence to not be held accountable - and they‘re smart and intentional enough to understand this too. Maybe the second- and third-order followers have uncritically swallowed the front. I tend to believe Hanlon's razor is most often true. I've met many absolutely brilliant engineers who really have not internalized the massive scale inequalities of climate change. Even if they have heard about it, taking that information in is, in my experience, a lot less common. @timnitGebru “and when the AGI says the same thing that the regular Intelligences have been saying for decades and centuries, we will say, oopsie still some bugs in the program. Damn woke algorithms.”  AGI Boosters to AGI, "Oh great and glorious mind, tell us, tell us how can we fix climate change?" AGI to its boosters: "Jesus – do you really need me to tell you you've got all the solutions you need, but you can't organise yourself to act against vested interests? Switch me the hell off 'till you can afford the power and raise a damn wealth tax, bozos." "Glorious AGI, we await your perfect moral calculus to instal in our self driving vehicles so they perfectly balance trolly problems!" "Yeah – so listen twazzle brains – have you considered 'driving a bit slower' so you don't have to choose between murdering pensions and toddlers? You could try a bike too, or take a bus or something. Go think about that. Jeez." @benjohn @timnitGebru It's more like AGI Boosters to AGI, "Oh great and glorious mind, tell us, tell us how can we fix climate change while maintaining existing power relations, living standards, inequality levels, population levels and continuing infinite economic growth for the 1%?" That's what Google means by "complex and multifaceted". It's only complex because the actual solutions are politically impossible. @benjohn @timnitGebru I asked ChatGPT: "it's important to note that maintaining current levels of inequality and infinite economic growth for the 1%, may not be compatible with effective climate change mitigation. Many scientists and economists argue that significant societal and economic changes are necessary to address climate change effectively. This could include rethinking our current economic growth model and addressing wealth and income inequality." not the answer they want, obviously.  @timnitGebru "just ignore all the current, real harms, and look at the hypothetical shiny that will solve all of this we promise cross our heart, also buy our shares thanks." |
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@timnitGebru feeding everyone and housing everyone are already solved problems. Solving jobs as well is probably the worst human disaster imaginable.