 Discussing Embrace-Extend-and-Extinguish, @Gargron on @mike's podcast uses #XMPP as a historical analogy of how things can go wrong. He points out that XMPP had some self-inflicted problems, eg that the standard did not support new, desirable features quickly enough, like stickers in chat. I hope we won't get the same problem in the #fediverse. #ActivityPub was created in 2018 and there is currently no W3C standards activity. Maybe Mastodon could come back to W3C and help re-energize? 4 comments
@stpaultim @Gargron @mike “larger base” by people, organizations, or money that can be spent to advance the cause? Xmpp always struck me as having far more orgs involved that had money instead of half the shoestrings that the fediverse has been living on. You may know more about this than I do, but I think what I'm getting at (based upon what I have heard from others) is that I expect XMPP development was dependent upon a few large organization with funding. Mastodon, I think, has a broader base of people working to keep it alive and building tools that depend on it. While the deep pockets may not be here yet, I think that there is a much bigger independent user base. Does this make sense or is this completely wrong? |
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It was a good discussion. I think the point about XMPP not having a popular base supporting it, like the Fediverse, also seems very relevent.
It seems that there may be a much larger base of platforms and users that are invested in the long term success of Activity Pub than there ever was in XMPP - as I understand it.
https://dot-social.simplecast.com/episodes/eugen-rochko