@nixCraft I really hate that they replaced netstat with ss. The name is quite problematic. Especially in Germany and Austria 😅

@nixCraft and when was it? two decades ago?

@nixCraft Thanks for this! I don't need it very often but when I do all I can ever remember is the old ifconfig stuff.

@nixCraft thanks

@nixCraft where was I when they deprecated ifconfig?! 😳

@nixCraft 'ip neigh' 🐎

@nixCraft "ifconfig" shows packet/error counts for RX/TX. Can't see that for "ip". Can it?

@nixCraft ifconfig May have been "standard" but each platform had its own flavours of usage for doing much other than "ifconfig IFACE"

@nixCraft I don't want to use ip!!

@nixCraft Finally I can make an "Ip man" joke with a valid Linux command.

@nixCraft I think the switch to nftables was more significant than this. Anyway, I like all the new(er) stuff. I don't think I've had an ifconfig on a machine for at least ten years.

@nixCraft I'm gonna need more aliases!

@nixCraft Know about and use ip, but ifconfig muscle memory kicks in during networking woes.

@nixCraft Thanks for the table.

Even though it is a pain to learn new commands, I appreciate ip embraced color. It's extremely easy to pick out the relevant info when UP/Down or MAC or IPv4/IPv6 all have different colors.

I wish more commands embraced color, but I suspect it will only happen on full rewrites like this. eza is another example of a great replacement (ls) with color and icons.

@nixCraft On Debian, ifconfig can still be made available in package net-tools

Don't even get me started on the "Ooh! We have a MUCH BETTER name for eth0!"

@nixCraft As one of those old grumpy Unix users I lament the trend of actually making you write more per command and not less :/

@nixCraft wait, netstat is detected?

@nixCraft Oh great, deprecate one of the command line commands I actually use.

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Kinda annoying, sure. Most significant? I still give that to effing systemd. Hands down.

@nixCraft I still don't understand why ifconfig has been deprecated. I will continue to use it until it's gone.

I mean, I use `ip`, but it isn't as useful to me. Not yet, at least.

@nixCraft And every updated alternative is more complex and obscure that the original!

Much like systemd. Progess!

@nixCraft Being grumpy, pedantic, and set in my ways, I do find it odd to use a command called IP to up/down the ethernet ports and do ARP/MAC stuff since you don't necessarily have to run TCP/IP over those ports at all. Should have been called something like "net" or "eth" to control the network ports below the IP level.

Doesn't really matter in practice at all. Just annoys me slightly.

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@nixCraft A rosetta stone doesn't really do "ip" justice. It made things so much easier and is a better abstraction than the tools it replaced a long while ago. Once you spend some time with it (which I did many years ago already) you'll find ifconfig/route and the like pretty limited and awkward. Adding more than one addr to an interface without clumsy alias interfaces, doing policy routing, etc. it's a treat.

@nixCraft do the same for ss !

@nixCraft I... didn't even know this... I still use ifconfig, rofl. I guess this explains why so many distros ship without ifconfig. I kept wondering why, but it isn't as if any of the software tools or anything actually tell you this!

@nixCraft iproute2 has a much more consistent (and complete) interface, and that interface is nearly identical between IPv4 and IPv6---don't need to remember both arp and ndp command syntax. Besides, linux ifconfig is rubbish compared to that of the openbsd.

@nixCraft I haven't used Linux for a couple years.
Looks like I can never go back at this point.

The command ifconfig has been deprecated in Linux at least 15 years ago.
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@nixCraft Oh boy, I am still 70% in the first column 😬​.

@nixCraft THANK YOU!

@nixCraft i like this overview but could u mamke a less colorful version... it's a bit of pain to look at it with all icons , emojis and the red background