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Jason Scott

This is a frankly infurating framing of the natural end of a copyright literally a human century later

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wakingrufus

@textfiles
Yeah it's like Kissinger dying in 2023, not really any kind of victory or justice.

jayfax

@textfiles For me, it's all about the bob mortimer wilty clips.

Emil Oppeln-Bronikowski

@textfiles I'll trust that this zombie is dead when it stops moving

Matt Blaze

@textfiles And indeed, Disney is still perfectly free to use the (original) Mickey Mouse character if it wants. The only difference is that the rest of us are now, too.

Koning Van Worcester πŸ‘‘οΈ

@textfiles how so?

I'm a bit vague on the details? Is this because Disney extended the life time of their copyright or what?

γƒͺーハむ

@deavmi @textfiles CBS is framing it like Disney lost some sort of battle and there is an implied injustice in this happening. The truth of the matter is the "Mickey Mouse" copyright laws have been hand crafted by Disney to artificially increase their market dominance when copyright was never supposed to last that long in the first place.

Koning Van Worcester πŸ‘‘οΈ

@lehi @textfiles what is the copyright validity period in the US versus how Disney extended them to?

γƒͺーハむ

@deavmi @textfiles According to the Internet, around 1909 there was a revision to the copyright laws that made the base term 28 years, with a 28 year extension available. Since then, well, it's gotten rather messy. Now it's the lifetime of the author plus 70 years.

Poppy (Tryna learn webdev rn) :spinny_cat_nb:

@deavmi@ieji.de @textfiles@mastodon.archive.org To me, it's because the title implies that Disney was wronged, specifically with the word "loses." In reality, that company is already wealthy enough to not benefit from the copyright at all, and it's us who have lost out on all the potential creations we could have made if Steamboat Willie was in the Public Domain earlier.

Hyolobrika
Why? From what you say it seems literally true.
Torrenezzi10

@textfiles And do you know what's worse? Disney will still "own" Mickey Mouse after this. Did you notice that the Walt Disney Animation Studios intro now is just a snippet of the original Steamboat Willie animation? That's on purpose, since trademarks don't expire like copyright (basically as long as they renew it), they can technically still own the original Mickey Mouse even after 2024, just take down anything that uses it as "violations of trademark". At least that's what I understood.

dcfedor

@torre you might be happy to know that the Supreme Court strictly and specifically prohibits this tactic:

web.law.duke.edu/cspd/mickey/

"Trademark can not be used as an end run around copyright expiration."

Torrenezzi10

@dcfedor Thank you, that's nice to hear. I heard about this "loophole" on a MatPat video on YouTube (yes, I know that sounds stupid), and I guess I was foolish to not do research myself.

jcriecke

@torre what I’ve read has reported that trademarks do have limitations and Steamboat Wille will still be fair use as long as certain criteria are met (don’t pretend you’re official/Disney).

Torrenezzi10

@mandugar Thanks, sorry for not knowing this, I just didn't do my own research before posting.

mandugar

@torre I didn't know about that either until I read that article. Doctorow writes a lot about copyright issues.

lupus_blackfur

@textfiles

How can CBS, an entity generally considered trustworthy, not comprehend the difference between the film and the character...??

Oh, yeah... Clicks.

Punch's Videogamezone :msx:

@textfiles always sad to see we're too far gone with corporate propaganda to remember that the end of a copyright term is as important to copyright law as the temporary monopoly granted by it; the whole point of public domain is to celebrate and formalize a work's status as a shared cultural artifact. That's kind of what Mickey Mouse is these days, isn't it?

PG&E Delenda Est

@textfiles and it's right next to a youtube channel reposting british tv without permission.

Nicole Parsons

@textfiles

@pluralistic points out that corporations made terrible archivists of cultural artifacts.

They often stop art, and other items of cultural significance, from surviving by hoarding it under poor conditions then discarding it later.

Steve Holmes

@textfiles I actually watched the CBS morning show segment and it was pretty good. They interviewed Larry Lessig, and the point that Walt Disney has been using the IP of others for a century was emphasized.

Caleb James DeLisle
Oh no, this means there's going to be mickey branded EVERYTHING next year :(

Disney is such a horrible company and I'd rather not be reminded of their evil, nor expose it to my kid.
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