Gregory's ServerThreads Is Going To Destroy The Fediverse #Linux #YouTube https://youtu.be/UANbWY2W__g
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@BrodieOnLinux I get the point about parents et c. being available. It'd be nice to have fewer Linux posts here (and ofc I'm part of the problem).  @malin @BrodieOnLinux yeah blocking Threads is once again being cast as some radical change of course. It is if of course one server being treated like any other server. Open source bros don't like this because they desperately want to be noticed by big tech. @davey_cakes @BrodieOnLinux I think the ability to connect with non-nerds sounds like the motivator, though I was a little confused about the mentions of 'one chance to go mainstream'. I'm not sure why it's the only chance, and I'm not sure going mainstream is worth the costs. @malin yeah, if you need to compromise everything to go mainstream then we should delete all the servers tomorrow and join Threads directly. I think Fedi is as mainstream as it's going to get - the kind of people who might try it will have heard of it somewhere. After that there's never going to be a big push or anything. Some people want it to "win" and that's ok but it doesn't mean it's a mistake for others to not want to sacrifice anything to that. @davey_cakes I have no idea what the future holds. Some people thought email would never become mainstream. But I hope fedi grows, at a natural pace. Having one account to follow image posts and videos is very convenient. @BrodieOnLinux Anything else that can be done to fight this? I switched to Mastodon exactly for the reason of escaping the endless bullshit flood of Meta and the likes.  @taraen @BrodieOnLinux can't you for your personal account just block the whole threads without your instance blocking it? @nicemicro @taraen your own posts can still get boosted onto servers that you have personally blocked. This can be abused so people can "make an example of you" for hateful arguments and ridicule. You might not know for months and then you see it. Your name, your profile pic, your message about being happy about yourself. It's possible by other means but why streamline it. These arguments are often "tell me you've never modded a server without telling me" @davey_cakes @taraen anything you put out on the internet can be used to ridicule you. as you can't exactly control what other people think and say about you, the "escape the bullshit" part is only possible if you ignore the bullshit. I guess, people who want less exposure to outsiders, will have to do to services that generally don't federate and don't show content to unregistered people. @nicemicro @taraen in my experience, people accept that it's always possible, but appreciate when it's made less likely. It's fairly achievable to be on servers where it's less likely on Fedi as it stands, without going on "allowlist" servers, although there are indeed some people going on allowlist servers, which are very selective about who they federate with. @BrodieOnLinux Completely agree with the points made here. Blocking the threads instance preemptively is just extremely stupid and nobody should do it. @BrodieOnLinux If we want facebook to not EEE the fediverse, we need to treat threads just like any other instance. My instance is blocking instances without proper moderation and threads definitely is ine of those. Therefore it is blocked by my instance and I fully agree with that as giving fb special treatment would give them way too much power. @BrodieOnLinux Many smaller instances don't want to deal with a sudden influx of new users to federate with. In these cases, they may not have the funding to pay for more resources. I've also heard of people saying they don't believe Threads is moderated enough and worried about actors. Some groups are targeted more often and a small number of malicious actors on threads could easily outnumber a smaller fully bad instance. @BrodieOnLinux FOSS people: "why don't big corporations just use open protocols?!?!?!?!" @tumble @BrodieOnLinux I have commented a bit on this and am working on a proper blog post but the tldr is I'm treating them like anyone else. If they moderate to my teams satisfaction and play nice I have no issue federating. If they don't moderate or moderate in a responsible way we will have to block them. I know there are conversations happening about the connectivity and moderation so I'm waiting to hear more about that (I haven't watched the original vid yet) @BrodieOnLinux I see 2 big upsides even for people who want to block Threads. One is that more people in the Fediverse increases developer interest so everyone gets more/better apps. The other is that I would expect a lot of the bigger accounts to run their own server outside of Threads once they don't have to be there to reach that audience. @immaculatetaste @BrodieOnLinux So is the worst case scenario here that the Fediverse ends up being a niche? Feels like that's already the case. Counterexample would also be Email. But I do hope that Threads is just the gateway drug to get the normies federated and they then will spread out to other servers once they see what's possible. I also think you need Meta to grow the Fediverse because they can handle a 100mil+ users and we couldn't right now.  @BrodieOnLinux I honestly think we should take advantage of the exposure we'll receive from Threads and make more accessible instances that advertise themselves to more mainstream users. Just outright blocking Meta or only hoping they "play nice" with us is probably going to end badly. Instead, we should be trying to expand our own foothold.  @ProfessorCode @BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online I’ve kinda thought the same. Make proxy-zone or shared space of a few big instances that federate with threads. People who want to follow threads users can create accounts there while the extra layer of instances should provide a leaky firewall of sorts for the rest of us. @maegul I think there is a misunderstanding. I wasn't talking about having "proxy-instances", but rather encouraging regular instances to promote themselves (e.g. websites, SEO) so more users will join the Fediverse directly. @BrodieOnLinux Great video. It made me curious enough to rent a server and host my own Mastodon server. This is great so far.  @BrodieOnLinux I stand with my removed comment: People acting/talking in favor of Threads are stupid. https://tilde.town/~ramin_hal9001/articles/fediblock-facebook-and-threads.html I have a strong opinion on that, sorry.  @BrodieOnLinux Thanks for this. So important to have this #fedipact talked about with a sane POV. @ #fediverse check this out. @BrodieOnLinux 100% agree! I'd be very much eager to delete my fb/insta accounts and follow/interact with all my friends there from the mastodon one. Even if all mastodon instances block Meta, I'll set up my own! 🤓 The ones who fear the integration can block it individually instead of being party poopers ffs 😑 @BrodieOnLinux I strongly disagree with the fact that Fedi should become mainstream. Remember that twitter users came to it, and the overall quality of it plumetted until most of them returned to twitter. Fedi should remain a niche, and should remain entirely community driven without any profit motivation. Any company-backed platform trying to get into it should be blocked on sight on principle alone. @BrodieOnLinux Also, remember what happens to e-mail: companies now control the market because the big providers block most selfhosted instances by default.  @BrodieOnLinux @BrodieOnLinux I agree with your take in this video, brodie :neofox_amogus: |
@BrodieOnLinux the summaries of the arguments against didn't sound like what I'm hearing.
On the blocking number, most instances don't block others with one bad actor. There's often a bit if back-and-forth between admins to see where they're at. But with threads, we know it's less moderated than any Mastodon instance except those which are generally defederate. We won't get a response back from a threads admin within a couple of hours, but we will receive some thousands of block-worthy posts.