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NGI Zero open source funding

Adblockers are legal, German courts ruled. Their argument: users not only have the right to receive information but also to refuse it.
That sounds about right. It'd be positively dystopian if companies can claim the right to force-feed information. A win for internet user freedom :).
One of the downsides of the ruling is that a company can exclude users with an activated adblocker from accessing its website.
@fsfe wrote an interesting article about the case
fsfe.org/news/2023/news-202312

19 comments
Minnie Mel

@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz @fsfe@mastodon.social "you're not allowed to use our site unless you use it the way we want you to" seems like a valid claim on the surface, as long as people don't have to use the site for any reason

i.e. government/tax/etc sites should not be allowed to exclude anyone

Ben Lubar (any pronouns)

@NGIZero I don't see that as a downside

if a company is more concerned about making money by selling my information than they are about wanting me to see the information on their website, I probably don't want to see that information

genstar.service

@ben @NGIZero If the information's good, copy and paste that shit somewhere else so the rest of the people can see it without needing to disable the ad-blocker.

(Yes, I know this is technically piracy)

ⅅasⓦarⓚeinℍuhn

@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz prohibiting ad blockers is like prohibiting going to the toilet whilst linear tv ad breaks @fsfe@mastodon.social

Marek

@NGIZero @fsfe does that mean that we can also legally refuse to be advertised to in public? Sort of like how Banksy did when he would paint over billboards?

Expertenkommision Cyberunfall

@kozy138 @NGIZero @fsfe

You are allowed to watch in another direction or just ignore it, but you are not allowed to force hinder others from seeing the legal advertised stuff.

hamato

@NGIZero @fsfe If I cannot use a site without an adblocker and it’s not a source I want to support, I’m gone immediately anyway. The same goes for sites with fullscreen or massively content-hiding consent banners requiring more than one or two clicks to reject everything. It’s not as if the same information isn’t a few clicks away… I have quite a number of website subscriptions and find it important to support good journalism, but if you try to cram ads down my throat, get lost.

Stiofán de Buitléir

@NGIZero @fsfe Hey they already exclude me.

And my response is to invite them to stick their bytes...

Beechsundower

@NGIZero @fsfe If a company blocks me from doing business because I use an adblocker is their loss not mine. Why?

I am sure the company competitor will welcome my business and money on my terms of what I want to see on my computer. Money does talk in this case. 😀

ts 🚉

@NGIZero @fsfe @whatshisays whew, yeah, that is a big downside, but hopefully more and more people use adblockers in the days ahead

Lee Fife

@NGIZero @fsfe Seems like a good move.

Although the Adblock Plus whitelist sure reads like asking for payments to ABP to get past the ad block. Part of why I stopped using them.

𝕸𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔫

@NGIZero @fsfe
Adblocking should be illegal, along with people who don't finish books.

If an author sells you a book, they have the right to know you read all of it, to the end.

I'm going to remind everyone that not reading everything should be illegal, starting with an email campaign, with links to 4 hour videos where I explain my theories.

If people don't read all of my emails and watch the videos till the end, I'm going to sue.

NGI Zero open source funding

@malin strongly agree. Can you not send me those e-mails, though?
@fsfe

𝕸𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔫

@NGIZero @fsfe

No.

By being on 'e-mail', you have agreed to the adverts on the platform.

It's in section 472, subsection C), paragraph 12 of the Google terms of service you implicitly agreed to by visiting any website which uses Google services.

saluk

@NGIZero @fsfe

I don't see why a site shouldn't be able to block their content from users who try to bypass their monitization strategy. I don't think it's smart for them to do so however... people who want to block ads are less likely to click on those ads anyway, and blocking them isn't always going to be enough incentive to disable the blocker.

If ads were less annoying, we might not be in an environment where blockers are so prevalent also. Treat users as more than just clicks.

DELETED

@saluk @NGIZero @fsfe

Their crap monetization strategy is mot our problem

RealJournalism

@NGIZero @fsfe YouTube is already doing this with me, and I don't live in Germany. I've cut way back on my usage as a result.

George Dinwiddie

@NGIZero @rayckeith @fsfe I foresee ad-flushers that accept the ads and send them to the bit bucket.

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