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Janne Moren

@gubi @ThePlant
The protocol is open though. Just like we allow Facebook to link to our pages using http.

Again, I'm not blaming anyone give up on the open web. There's lots of very good reasons to do so. I'm a little sad that it's happening, and I also feel we are losing something important. Obviously a lot of people disagree

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Carlo Gubitosa :nonviolenza:

@jannem @ThePlant the protocol is open but the source code is closed. That's why #Mastodon users are owners of their data, and can migrate their account on another #Mastodon istance keeping all the followers, but #Threads users won't be allowed to do the same. Besides the technical limitations, though, there should be also ethical considerations because of the bad record of misbehaviours of the company, supporting from white supremacy to genocide. But everyone has a different ethics.

Janne Moren

@gubi @ThePlant
Open source is a good example. It's widely used by dictatorships, weapons manufacturers, Meta and worse.

But I still create and promote open source software. The benefit to humanity at large far outweighs the damage from those entities also getting access. The overall benefits of being open is worth my loss of control over who gets to use it.

Carlo Gubitosa :nonviolenza:

@jannem @ThePlant first of all, there is a difference from open source and free software, where the free is the one of freedom. Second, putting blocks on a Mastodon server to keep out evil companies and their monetization of hate speech will not make the fediverse less open, just like putting antispam blocks on Postfix mail server to keep out evil companies and their monetization of spam will not make the internet less open. It's so open that you can stop antispam filters and federate with Meta.

Janne Moren

@gubi @ThePlant
I assure you, the GPL is endemic in all those areas as well, usually completely legally. FSF chose to not allow usage restrictions for good reason.

You disagree with me. That is fine. Reasonable, well informed people disagree with each other all the time. I understand and sympathize with your standpoint even if I don't agree with the conclusion.

Carlo Gubitosa :nonviolenza:

@jannem @ThePlant the GPL cannot be compared to Activitypub because if you are using GPL code you are forced to release any modification with the same freedom, while Activitypub doesn't oblige companies using it to disclose malicious proprietary code for harvesting metadata, filtering contents and monetizing hate speech.

My conclusion is that we should not support companies that made the world a worse place, but you are free to come to the opposite conclusion, we're in the Fediverse after all 🙂

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