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@Denian - what do civil engineers do when their bosses tell them to do something illegal? The certification would be required at both levels, same as with civil engineering: the company would have to certify that the software was built/updated by certificated programmers and to work as a professional programmer you would need to finish a certified course at a university, and join a professional association. 6 comments
@Denian @tom_andraszek I abandoned my studies because I started working as a programmer very early on and found limited value in both, content of courses and title itself so I am a little on the fence here, but some professional course on moral and legal aspects followed by certification that leads to increased legal consequences should be mandatory for being a part of critical infra software projects. IT is morally and legally immature when it comes to sw that creates threat to the society @Denian @tom_andraszek also, viable insurance service for such employees should be at play here @chodzikman @tom_andraszek A standalone certification course is certainly an option, but I still say the far more important step is to require certification for the companies involved. And the companies should also have to pay any certification fees for new employees that don't have that certification yet. Also, in this case, I'd argue that the order to add those killswitches likely came from the customer, so a requirement to report illegal/immoral requirements in such projects is needed, too. @Denian @tom_andraszek I believe that as a company you need ISO26262 to do railway related software, just as you need ISO13485 to do medical, I am more familiar with the latter and here conpany is obliged to train employees as well but from my exp it is a bit fictional (to various degree) - mandatory external training and cert could improve it IMO @tom_andraszek @Denian also there should be a way to file compliance violations anonymously. |
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@tom_andraszek That's part of the problem right there. Not all good programmers have the mindset to finish university, and not all those who finish university turn out to be good programmers. In fact, many of the best are self-taught or "only" went through job training. The mental skillsets needed for either just aren't that congruent.