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Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

"You can check out the full change log on our Discord!"

I'm seeing this more and more.

For the love of all holy gaming, please stop doing that. Put it on the actual open web where people can read it properly.

45 comments
Poslovitch

@gamingonlinux and that doesn't even make sense, since Discord messages have an upper character limit which can't be surpassed even by Nitro payers. And it has fewer formatting capabilities than a proper website...

Ricardo B�nffy

@gamingonlinux I really don't get the attachment people feel with Discord.

Sharpie

@rbanffy @gamingonlinux discord members can be leveraged as potential impressions and player base for devs if they are looking for publishers

Alexander The 1st

@rbanffy @gamingonlinux It's PHPBB forums, with a singular login client, and notifications for when messages are posted.

Well, that, and it's a Free hosting site essentially...and it updates more than once every 7 years.

I can sort of see the appeal, except...PHPBB forums did a bunch of things better and still does.

Alexander The 1st

@rbanffy @gamingonlinux (Actually, upon double checking, since PHPBB Forums the software is still in development, it's probably more accurate to call it the Invisionfree forums hosting...only with an app client, and video/voice chat, but otherwise...still worse in general.)*

[object Object]

@gamingonlinux “for up to date docs, consult our extremely toxic phpbb or try your luck searching our even more toxic discord” fuck no. why are open source gaming projects like this

🌱 Ligniform :donor:​

@zzt @gamingonlinux It's cheap (Free usually), however part of your infrastructure should include just a blog or area where you can actually post patch notes. It's pretty lazy imo

Lando

@ligniform @zzt @gamingonlinux Also google docs. I do not want to read something in your google doc. I will not log in to google to have my access tracked and have it sit in my document history forever to read whatever poorly formatted off-brand excel sheet you shit out.

ForeverAndaDay

@ligniform @zzt @gamingonlinux or at least include it in your github or just bundle the changelog with your application. anything that can be picked up by archive.org!

🌱 Ligniform :donor:​

@foreverandaday @zzt @gamingonlinux You're saying git commit messages can be more than 'commit' and 'please work'?????

ForeverAndaDay

@ligniform @zzt @gamingonlinux I will admit, some of my older commit messages are just "idk" because I didn't commit for a day and was too lazy to figure out what I changed :blobsweats:
but those *were* small personal projects so I guess it way okay lol

Fanriya

@ligniform @zzt @gamingonlinux ( but instead dev just let their steam forum die un-moderated and watch almost exclusively the discord )

Ertain

@gamingonlinux Oh, I would *love* to boost this more! For the love of god, people, use Discord for chatting and video calls, not for documentation.

Wilfried Klaebe

@Ertain Not at all ideally . Use Matrix, Jitsi Meet, anything FrOSS. @gamingonlinux

matthew
@gamingonlinux Finding out some entire game modding communities are only discoverable via Discord caused me to take severe psychic damage. If you tell me I have to use Discord's horrible search to find the most up to date version of your mod, I'm definitely never installing your mod
LxWulf :fedora: :python:

@gamingonlinux Yes, exactly! What is the problem, to set up shortly a “Discourse Forum” you don't need to have an account there to read or as you said just post it on the official website.

pino

@gamingonlinux Aaaaaaaaaarrrggghhhhh.......

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Why is there every day a confirmation for the infinite human stupidity...........

Croom (regular name)

@gamingonlinux to be fair it's incredibly complicated and resource intensive to create and host a file containing plain text

hobbsc

@gamingonlinux and search it. that's been my big trouble with discord: it's hard to find servers or content on servers and none of it is publicly searchable. combine that with its realtime nature and i just keep it all muted and check in maybe once a month :/

Chaucerburnt

@hobbsc @gamingonlinux I'm a backer on one poorly-run Kickstarter where the creators have moved most of their comms from KS to Discord, and some days it feels like making stuff harder to find is exactly why they did it.

young man yells at the cloud

@gamingonlinux Miserable search experience too. I can search for a question I have and find others who asked the same thing, but I have no way of knowing if those posts were ever responded to or where those responses are in the chat. The platform should not be used.

Pheo :blobcat:

@gamingonlinux mfw people are too lazy to put the change logs on their repository page or just put it somewhere where people don't need an account to see it

Quinn9282 🖥️🌙✌️

@gamingonlinux I have not, and will NEVER make a Discord account just to view some changelog or get "support" from someone because of some issue I'm having.

It's not hard whatsoever to make and host a functioning website or forum (i.e. Discourse) to post the changelogs on and have a *open* place where the community can engage on.

I mean, if your going to type out the changelogs to put them up on Discord, why can't you just Ctrl + C/V it onto a public website or forum post? It's mindboggling.

Blake Leonard

@gamingonlinux The big draw to using Discord for support is that it's free; indie developers don't have to fiddle with system administration or pay for hosting on top of building their game and community.
Other draws include "number goes up," convenience of use, convenience of login if you need to ask a question (so you don't have to create and manage yet another account), and so on. Also that Gen Z (in general) has no idea how to use forums, so anyone 20 or younger is going to use what they're familiar with.

There's no excuse for only posting changelogs on Discord though. Use Render.com, one of the millions of sketchy free hosts like InfinityFree, or even goddamn Cloudflare Pages if you have to (GH pages still price gates private repos with public pages, right?). Gating that to only Discord is pointless crap.

@gamingonlinux The big draw to using Discord for support is that it's free; indie developers don't have to fiddle with system administration or pay for hosting on top of building their game and community.
Other draws include "number goes up," convenience of use, convenience of login if you need to ask a question (so you don't have to create and manage yet another account), and so on. Also that Gen Z (in general) has no idea how to use forums, so anyone 20 or younger is going to use what they're familiar with.

A January Sponge

@gamingonlinux Changelog on Pastebin. Or make a publicly accessible Google doc.

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Tomáš Janoušek
@gamingonlinux lol imagine telling people that your IRC channel is the authoritative source for the changelog, netsplits be damned. And that's literally this.
Vertana

@gamingonlinux I’m seeing this more and more with customer support stuff too.

AMS

@gamingonlinux Also can't discord well in a SteamVR browser.

Kevin Granade

@gamingonlinux jfc that's one of your best options for promotion and you're young to throw it in a hole?

Shadow D. Wolf :therian:🏳️‍🌈

@gamingonlinux "Discord is not a replacement for a wiki" is the modern "this meeting should've been an e-mail."

Kaki

@gamingonlinux this is getting more and more of a problem... Using discord for providing support is fine, but please just put docs on a damn website...

Joan Westenberg

@gamingonlinux no more walled gardens. No more closed off information. No more gatekeeping. I hate that we keep going down this path.

Howard Cheng

@gamingonlinux OMG yes. I wholeheartedly agree to this. I don't want to have to specifically use Discord just to find out stuff which should rightfully just go in your website!

Plus I also dislike having to go in Discord for support. Why can't I just have access to an email / live chat via your website??

Alexander Trivia Dragonson

@gamingonlinux and if you can't be bothered to set up a WordPress yourself, my rates are reasonable

ssh://thepinkhacker.com

@gamingonlinux, same thing with emails. I hate when the summarize the content or cut it off. I didn't sign up for notifications; I signed up for emails.

:blahaj: Why Not Zoidberg? 🦑

@gamingonlinux What they really are saying is "Eh, someone will cut and paste it on Reddit, why bother".

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