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shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@jonny how did he ever come to believe that chatgpt was capable of doing something like that? it's absurd to think that!

31 Oct 2023 at 2:11 | Wall-to-wall | Open on octodon.social
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Dr. jonny phd
shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@jonny OK but you don't know that till after you've observed it awhile and i guess what I'm wondering is where one would get the idea in the first place? from someone else? from the internet? there's a stunningly wide gap in understanding if a person thinks chatgpt is evaluating code, both of chatgpt and of coding! how does that happen to a person? I'm fully failing to understand 😭

31 Oct 2023 at 2:59 | Open on octodon.social
Dr. jonny phd

@walruslifestyle
Their mental model is that "I can talk to this thing, when I give it some code it knows what that code is and can tell me about it in the same way that it seems to tell me about lots of things," and they are not so naΓ―ve in my opinion because products like copilot do advertise themselves as understanding code, so thinking the LLM is actually parsing it and reasoning about it rather than generating plausible text from some seed vector in its latent space is reasonable enough to me.

31 Oct 2023 at 3:02 | Open on neuromatch.social
Dr. jonny phd

@walruslifestyle
I dont disagree if u know a little bit about how these things work its ridiculous, but he is just following everything he's been told about what they can do!

31 Oct 2023 at 3:04 | Open on neuromatch.social
Bornach

@jonny @walruslifestyle
Especially given the flood of YouTube videos demonstrating ChatGPT solving coding problems in minutes
youtu.be/jwpja9fcqaM

The implied assumption is that humans with their very limited ability to memorize answers would have to understand code in order to arrive at the correct answer. We apply that same assumption to LLMs at our own peril. Surely it couldn't have simply memorized all the answers and is simply applying pattern matching to generate the answer, right?

31 Oct 2023 at 8:49 | Open on fosstodon.org
shrimp eating mammal 🦐

@jonny I'm glad you helped them see what to do instead!

31 Oct 2023 at 11:59 | Open on octodon.social
Captain Janegay πŸ«–

@jonny @walruslifestyle Right, the ultimate problem here is one of misleading marketing. LLMs actually have a bunch of really useful applications, but those applications, I guess, are not the ones that the companies developing them thought would sell.

31 Oct 2023 at 11:24 | Open on mastodon.coffee
Alexander The 1st

@walruslifestyle @jonny There was a LinkedIn post by what as I recall was a promoted post, where someone was measuring ChatGPT versions based on the metric of "Code sample received from asking ChatGPT compiled on first try.".

Which is a pretty terrifying metric, even before you remember most programmers panic or joke about panicking when their code works the first try, or doesn't give an obvious error.

31 Oct 2023 at 8:23 | Open on mstdn.ca
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