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Johannes Ernst

It’s seems to me the better strategy for #israel would be attempt to create a division between “peaceful Gaza residents” and “militants” and attempt to get some of the first ones to help rout out the second ones. If they treat everybody as enemy, everybody will fight back as enemy, for the next several generations as it happened for far. And nit getting shot in the Gaza barrel is surely an incentive.

But there’s no indication that is what they are doing. Why not?

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Nathan Schneider

@J12t Because the policy of the Israeli state is to undermine the possibility Palestinian survival. Having friendly Palestinian neighbors would be pressure to make those Palestinians full citizens, which would make it harder to have an ethno-state.

Johannes Ernst

@ntnsndr a two state solution would not have that aspect to it, so I’m not convinced this argument works.

Nathan Schneider

@J12t It doesn't take long visiting the West Bank, and seeing the settlements and the Israeli-only roads, to understand that the "two state solution" was always a fiction.

Johannes Ernst

@ntnsndr by now that may very well be true. Haven’t been there in a while.

Nathan Schneider

@J12t Me neither. My time there was 10 years ago, and from what I read things have only gotten worse: killingthebuddha.com/mag/dispa

Johannes Ernst

@ntnsndr Good piece! And just about every power in the region is using the Palestinian cause as a pawn on their own chessboard without meaning a word of it.

Case in point, the current situation. I can see that Hanas' attack is useful for Iran. For Palestinians themselves, there is no upside whatsoever that I can see.

Nathan Schneider

@J12t Absolutely true. The situation is in not simple, but few matters of international relations are. But there are other ways in which it is simpler than the global discourse makes it appear. A decades-long military occupation. That is what provides the fodder for others to exploit.

Abraham Samma

@J12t the peaceful Gazans are almost nonexistent as far as people on the ground can tell. No one is allowed to question Hamas' authority or narrative. They're better off moving to Israel or the West Bank or somewhere else. Hamas' rule and indoctrination industry (it's the only way to describe their recruitment process) in Gaza is absolute. Which is why many in Israel (including Obama this time around) are now advocating for its "dismantling". It's the only way to deradicalize that enclave.

Johannes Ernst

@absamma I have a hard time believing this (but admit I have no first-hand knowledge) . Here are some quotes that imply otherwise: nbcnews.com/news/revered-peace

Abraham Samma

@J12t I mean, this is all anecdotal evidence. If you look at aggregated statistics on Palestinian sentiments, they're all trending towards radicalism and support for armed groups like Hamas. It's just a question of degrees. I cannot say there aren't any who believe in peaceful coexistence, but what we can say for sure is that the aggregate facts on the ground point towards a grim picture as far as relations with Hamas are concerned. I don't think it's fair to bet people's lives on anecdotes.

Abraham Samma

@J12t @absamma Revisiting this because Vivian Silver's body has been identified. May her memory be a blessing forever.

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