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gaytabase

@liw debian is the way it is because it isn't the way it isn't. by comparing the way it is against the way it isn't it can work out the way it ought to be.

penguin42

@liw The thing about the release naming; I don't understand how naming avoids the problem?

Colin Watson

@penguin42 @liw I think the missing piece here is that Debian does assign versions, but they only appear as such in the archive once the release is actually official as opposed to being in preparation.

Lars Wirzenius

@cjwatson @penguin42 I don't remember all the details, and I couldn't find links to discussions back then, but my memory claims that the idea was that code names are less likely to be misunderstood as finished releases.

The later development of the archive pool structure and `dists` directory handle this betterer.

penguin42

@cjwatson @liw Ah OK, that's something I'd never realised in 20+ years of using it, but tbh I almost never think in the numbers.

Colin Watson

@penguin42 @liw I've been a Debian developer for 22 years and I still have to look up the numbers when I need them.

Julian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈

@cjwatson @penguin42 @liw on the flip side I can give you the numbers but I usually have no idea how to order buster, bullseye and bookworm.

Alfred M. Szmidt

@penguin42 @liw A nick name is not a fixed release. It was mainly to avoid pre-mature CDs and such ... You would be having a hard time selling "Debian Buzz", or at least that made it clear to the user that it wasn't Debian 1.1 or whatever.

Bob Machintruc

@liw Interesting, thanks!

FYI: there is a small typo: "An obviously solution" -> "An obvious solution"

Alfred M. Szmidt

@liw "that consists only of free and open source software" -- a goal that Debian got rid of. 😠

Alfred M. Szmidt

@liw It very much did, and it isn't the silly "everything is software" shtick anymore (wrt to the GFDL). Debian now installs non-free software automatically without the users consent.

"From Debian 12, the installer will automatically check for needed firmware blobs and add them as required. If you would prefer it not to, add ..."

Lars Wirzenius

@amszmidt Right. I assumed that was you meant.

You're intentionally distorting the situation, like a troll. I have no tolerance for that. Bye.

blake shaw 🇵🇸

@liw great read! even for someone who is familiar with the most of the ideas behind the project.

ilmari

@liw oh, I wasn't aware of the origin of the constitution. what was the leader's overstep about?

Lars Wirzenius

@ilmari I don't think the details are relevant to my blog post, so I'm not going to discuss them here, sorry.

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